CLB Fractions

3y

anyone dead set on hating religion is a red flag

necromancer

3y

Most religions are conceptually the same, a middleman (prophet) says they can hear a spirit/deity and they can speak for the deity, they write their interpretations of what they hear into text/pass it down generationally and then they gather more followers to worship this omnipotent being. I personally think there are no omnipotent spirits who pass down information to the lowly human populace, the “prophets” make it up themselves so they can speak their own agenda and ideals into existence and have a big following without actually having to confirm their words and that they have a high authority automatically without questioning or else the question-asker is shunned.

It’s just another form of hierarchy which should’ve been abolished.

I don’t blame anyone for believing it because it can bring positive things, however I don’t think it’s that big of a deal as people make it out to be.

Noah Parker

3y

I don’t think it’s that simple

There are stories in the Bible that are very, very, very old

The Christ story is clearly derived from an Egyptian myth, for example

Many of these stories were developed over long periods of time via oral tradition, so in a sense there was a “higher power” creating these stories. That higher power was the collective consciousness/unconsciousness of all the humans telling the stories and refining them over time. Some of the stories are so potent and rich with meaning that it would be impossible for a single human to create them

Noah Parker

3y

Maybe there was no point

But now that we’re here we can choose our own point

Make things better, take care of the conscious beings around us, reduce unnecessary suffering

necromancer

3y

Thank you for the clarification.

Yeah, it gets passed on to people because it’s good material, the supernatural part just isn’t real IMO. People just like the idea of a omnipotent spirit/spirits watching over them and guiding them through life and that’s completely fine. It’s especially comforting when you live in a chaotic place like Earth. My point is that it’s a social construct made by humans and I don’t look down on people who believe in religion. It’s just an old method to teach communal ethics and ideals, and the proverbial “carrot on a stick” of the afterlife would motivate people to follow these rules from a vague higher authority like entities from these stories/human prophets who claimed they have special privileges to hear from these entities.

exclave oasis

3y

Real defines all things,

Not just objective things

And peoples belief is very much so real

It's why I have a hard time denying it, while I don't think it can exist in the material world as we know it, who is to say the material world is of more value than the spiritual world.

Im starting to really believe we are all spirits communicating through a material world.

If thats my being in denile or reaching, then so be it, it gives me reason.

I think there is a lot more to the world than can be observed (anti-matter), and as science is based on the observable world, our objective world view is limited.

I think that's why all religions can co exist.

Also if it means anything I used to share you sentiment

Changeofheart

3y

But I feel like everyone deep down thinks there’s a point to all this. nietzsche said the the biggest struggle for the modern man is to why not to kill themselves

Changeofheart

3y

I do not agree with nietzsche, I believe in god

Noah Parker

3y

Oh okay

But yeah like I said, I find meaning in reducing suffering. Suffering is certifiably real and I hate that people have to go through with it

That’s enough to make me wanna spend my life being a good person so that hopefully things get better for everyone

It’s a good enough point for me

Changeofheart

3y

I feel the same as you but a true Christian has the same morals as you

ALPHABEAR

3y

I generally agree with your posts but all Holy Books have some truly outlandish stuff that shouldn’t be taken out of the context of its respective time period bro. Some of the verses seem... “WTF?” But only when taken OUT of context from the time period it was said in, + under which situation. You shouldn’t deny that it wasn’t said though. And I say this as a proud believer in God.

mothership

3y

Humans are inherently spiritual beings. You cannot escape if you tried. If you don’t follow a religion, then there is probably something else in your life to fill that void.

That said, the idea that you cannot be a critical thinker and in touch with your spirituality is non sense. Consume less anti-religious propaganda

Noah Parker

3y

Critical thinking

I find it hard to believe someone can think AND believe religion in a literal sense

When you start thinking one of the first things you do is go... “Wait a minute.. this religion s*** my parents taught me doesn’t make any sense ”

Noah Parker

3y

Ah so to have in-tact critical thinking skills but being unable to apply them to your religion

You’re right. This would not be a lack of critical thinking, but some other character deficiency

Drench

3y

there are people who are far more intelligent than you and me who are religious

Hi-C

3y

This some r/atheist vibes right here LMAO.

I somewhat agree but ultimately I don’t care enough about what others think to really let it bother me to the point where I’d never associate with them. I think there is a line though for sure

Noah Parker

3y

I agree. I’m not saying it would make me refuse to associate with them, just that it would make me weary of them

Noah Parker

3y

Ah so to have in-tact critical thinking skills but being unable to apply them to your religion

You’re right. This would not be a lack of critical thinking, but some other character deficiency

Experiment626

3y

Very pretentious way to view ppl tbh

master chief

3y

its funny because i think the opposite, if you believe this is all nothing and were just a mistake then thats a red flag

Innocent

3y

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