Wiggler

2y

1. Take Care, sure. But outside of enthusiast circles, you could easily argue that VIEWS did more for Drake than NWTS did.

2. It’s not a given that an album is going to chart for as long as VIEWS or as highly as VIEWS did during its chart run. It lives in the Top 100. American Teen was a massive album but that’s not a perfect comparison tbh. Sure it’s a hit album but plenty of artists get one of those. VIEWS is one of many hit albums from Drake but it has a unique place in the musical landscape that his others don’t. It was him at his most dominant between commercial success and like I said, influence. He was driving trends at that time and it was obvious any time you turned on the radio. That was the VIEWS year. It wasn’t just a big album. He has several of those.

And you’re acting like the hits are all that people go back to on it. That isn’t the case. Feel No Ways literally had a resurgence last year and Fire & Desire is a fan favorite Drake song. A lot of people consider it to be one of his best.

Do you think 2014 FHD is a classic?

SlimeySpider

2y

More Life was great, but almost every album/tape he's dropped besides that since IYRTITL has been forgettable.

I'm not saying Drake doesn't still have great songs, he just hasn't had an objectively great project in a decade

shaleirose

2y

You’re saying it like the entire album was the soundtrack to that summer, when it wasn’t.

It was just those two songs that people talk about very fondly, One Dance and Controlla.

Which is why I said if you remove those two songs from a 20 track album, there’s nothing “iconic” about it whatsoever.

If a classic is really only held up to classic status by 2/20 tracks, it’s not really a classic at all is it?

It’s like trying to argue that Starboy is a classic because it has the title track, I Feel It Coming, and Die For You on it.

A classic album is more than just 2-3 huge singles

thegreatdivine

2y

I don't know why you're so dismissive when it comes to ever giving Drake his credit. One Dance/Controlla aren't the only two songs off Views that people associate with the summer of 2016. There's also Too Good w/ Rihanna.

To add to that, there's also other songs that are cultural staples like Hotline Bling — a classic Drake single. There's Feel No Ways. There's Fire & Desire. That's 6 songs from the album that are loved widely on a cultural level.

You can't name another album since then that has that many songs that are loved that much culturally so all this "Views isn't a classic" talk is just what you think. The culture doesn't think so. Every year, they're going on and on about how underrated that album was and how much they love it and they now consider it one of Drake's classic releases.

I've even started seeing love for songs like Weston Road Flows and Keep the Family Close in recent years. The love for that album will only increase as time passes.

thegreatdivine

2y

Suggesting that the reason people call Views a classic is because of its success is a very stupid thing to say because Scorpion has more hit singles and is just as successful but no one is calling that album a classic. Gee, I wonder why.

shaleirose

2y

I’m not dismissive I’m just not a d***rider.

Hotline Bling came out a year before the album released and literally would’ve been a loosie if it wasn’t crazy successful, but sure I’ll concede that.

Too Good I’ll give you.

Feel No Ways & Fire & Desire are great, and even though they’re deep cuts, I’ll give you those.

That’s 6/20 songs.

In what world does 6/20 songs make an album a classic?

I’m not even saying the album is bad, it’s okay as a whole.

But y’all need to understand that not every good project is a classic.

Not every album with a couple universally loved songs is a classic.

Beauty Behind the Madness has 6 universally loved songs too: Tell Your Friends, Often, The Hills, Acquainted, Can’t Feel My Face, and Earned It.

But nobody is arguing that BBTM is a classic album because it’s obviously not

shaleirose

2y

I give it a couple more years and there will be idiots on here claiming that Scorpion is an underrated classic

MARC

2y

I prefer Views, More Life and Scorpion Side B to IYRTITL.

I don't really care about the term classic anyway

thegreatdivine

2y

You think every song off an album has to be great for an album to be regarded as a classic? The only song anyone thinks about when they mention After Hours is Blinding Lights and Abel stans insist it's a classic lmao. Go figure.

The reality is that there are no set parameters for people to regard something as "classic" — a term that I agree is overused today. There's Take Care, an album that was impactful, influential, commercially successful, critically acclaimed and has aged well and you'll still find some people arguing that it isn't a classic, meanwhile they'll call albums that don't check nearly as many boxes a classic.

These days, I mostly understand the word to mean an album people highly regard and that's the case for Views and most Drake albums.

People overly-critcize anything Drake drops and then eventually do a 180 on their takes after a while. That's happened with every Drake project since Views with the exception of Scorpion.

thegreatdivine

2y

This will probably happen in the next 5 years culturally. Every other day, it's some song off the album that people online grow to appreciate.

shaleirose

2y

So you’re admitting that as time passes people are ignorantly gonna claim Scorpion is a classic… but you just said people aren’t calling it a classic even though it’s just as successful as Views

CKL TML

2y

Thats not how classics work

Also scorpion been better than views since the day it released

CKL TML

2y

Thats not how classics work

Also scorpion been better than views since the day it released

shaleirose

2y

Imagine genuinely believing Views is a classic

shaleirose

2y

The point is, that person said “Scorpion isn’t seen as a classic even though it’s just as successful as Views, gee I wonder why” then proceeded to say that within a couple years Scorpion will be seen as a classic

Proving my entire point

shaleirose

2y

So you’re admitting that as time passes people are ignorantly gonna claim Scorpion is a classic… but you just said people aren’t calling it a classic even though it’s just as successful as Views

JeffersonSteelflex

2y

LMFAO

shaleirose

2y

Your first point is completely off base and out of touch because Blinding Lights is definitely not the only song people mention when they bring up After Hours

thegreatdivine

2y

Can't you read? How does this:

This will probably happen in the next 5 years culturally. Every other day, it's some song off the album that people online grow to appreciate.

Equate to me even suggesting that people might regard Scorpion as a classic culturally because of its success? My main point is that all of Drake's s*** ages well because they're usually good-great albums that people unnecessarily trash upon release.