big dog giovanni

2y

Are you trolling or is this a real post

deleteduser579

2y

like this nigga Eminem wrote Stan, Role Model, Real Slim Shady, The Way I Am, D*** Ballad like what the f*** is even going on in here

im not even an Eminem stan either, Travis has to cover his lack of lyrical ability with a bunch of bells and whistles, that doesn’t make him a f***ing better songwriter

Andre Jaquet

2y

But i can though theres nothing wrong with that.
This is my 4th time saying i dont care what people prefer or dont like. Pay attention this time.
I didnt say simplistic music i said a lack of emphasis on lyrics
They are considered greats of hip hop, plenty of people have them at the top of their lists, many from that era.
Im not discrediting it. Its great. Its not about a south new york beef. If you don't know what im talking about, go do some research and get out of here, your debating hip-hop without even knowing your history embarassing for your age
just proves the last sentence in my last comment right

deleteduser579

2y

like this nigga Eminem wrote Stan, Role Model, Real Slim Shady, The Way I Am, D*** Ballad like what the f*** is even going on in here

im not even an Eminem stan either, Travis has to cover his lack of lyrical ability with a bunch of bells and whistles, that doesn’t make him a f***ing better songwriter

Andre Jaquet

2y

nobody lasts this long and is this loved just because of aesthetic. Yall are finding any excuse to dismiss carti just so u dont have to say "I mean yeah, people like the music." You need all these contrived theories, is it not possible people just enjoy the beats and the way he hops on them classic ktt

notbrock

2y

That’s not even what we were talking about

We were talking about how having “good” aesthetics helped grow his career bigger than someone like Pierre who basically has zero aesthetics

Andre Jaquet

2y

Yeah he is. You place too much importance on whats traditional and older. I dont think anyone would disagree with this actually whos familiar with songwriting and travis' catalogue, his whole thing is crafting great songs and being an all arounder in that aspect
Of course the guy who makes grand loved projects with excellent hooks, instrumentals, collaborations, a lot of excellent structural choices, and beautiful bridges is a better songwriter than f***ing eminem who sure is a good rapper but is literally known by now for f***ing up perfectly great song ideas with horrible beats, terrible hooks, and an aimless direction that has led to him missing the mark on almost everything he put out for the past 10 years like what

deleteduser579

2y

you just spent page after page of this thread calling everyone who didn’t worship Carti oldheads, washed afraid of change and a whole bunch of other nonsense, and now you’re doubling back and saying that you don’t care what people like or listen to

i never said they aren’t considered greats of hip-hop THEY ARE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED IN MODERN DAY ALL TIME LISTS.

you don’t see niggas placing MC Hammer in a f***ing all time list, because there’s artists that came out way afterwards that blow them out of the water

you don’t even have any idea what you’re talking about, and it comes off as you learned about hip-hop off of a RYM skim, you namedropped Ka, Big L and DOOM as if they were extremely esoteric artists to disprove that tone isn’t an important aspect of hip-hop songwriting, when every other all time great have multiple vocal approaches across their careers, look at Nicki Minaj, Kanye, Eminem, Wayne and even your heroes Thug and Future

you’re an awful troll man

notbrock

2y

Bro this a brain dead level take. Like BRAIN DEAD

I’m not a fan of Eminem but he has hits on hits. He’s the highest selling rapper of all time. There’s literally no metric you could use to say Travis or Carti are better writers or song makers. Not lyrical s***, not hits, nothing, He beats them objectively in every possible category

Andre Jaquet

2y

guess what, if your excellent most of the time at everything else that makes up a song except exceptional lyrical ability (which the type of song ur making doesnt necessitate) (and which he does have at times)
and get a better song out of it
that makes you a better SONGwriter than someone who is rapping well but every other aspect of the song is ass

Andre Jaquet

2y

Carti is a better songwriter than eminem btw, carti makes great songs. He just isnt lyric focused. Plenty of greats that arent lyric focused

BRAVE

2y

Even though y’all slinging s*** at each other I actually like the discussion

notbrock

2y

Bro yes you f***ing did

deleteduser579

2y

yeah so that must explain why Travis is ranked over Eminem in all time lists regularly

that also explains why Eminem is considered to have some of the greatest hip hop albums ever made, while Travis doesn’t have s***

Andre Jaquet

2y

where? in the post you replied to i was talking about travis
as for carti, hes better than like eminems most recent stuff songwriting wise but thats cause eminem's songwriting is f***ing horrible after 2010 lmao

Andre Jaquet

2y

not gonna say it a fifth time go back and read the other times in those pages i said that
you dont have to worship carti, because I dont either. Im arguing against the points you have made pretty clearly. You genuinely need to redo your whole K-12 literacy skills over again
I dont care about what internet rap nerds put in their all time lists
didnt ever mention mc hammer
You cant tell me i dont know what im talking about when you dont even know basic historical s*** ive referenced. Go back to your HHT hole where you came from you cancer
Just because a lot of all time greats r good lyricists does not mean there cannot be all time greats with 0 emphasis on lyrics, u can keep repeating it tho but it wont come true

THERE IS NO WORLD WHERE NICKI OR KANYE IS AN ALL TIME GREAT AT TECHNICAL RAPPING LMAO
but you know that, you just chose to misrepresent me again for 0 reason
I didnt say it wasnt an important aspect of hip hop songwriting and you know that you disingenious f***

try again

notbrock

2y

That’s not even what we were talking about

We were talking about how having “good” aesthetics helped grow his career bigger than someone like Pierre who basically has zero aesthetics

notbrock

2y

You literally said “Carti is a better song writer than Eminem btw”

Andre Jaquet

2y

appealing to what other people rate a guy has 0 to do with whether hes a better songwriter or not
and rodeo is considered one of the best hip hop albums ever made idk what ur talking about, doesnt really have to do with anything though since im not talking about that era of eminem