I feel like the actors I know from Spain off hand (Banderas, Cruz, Bardem) experience similar underrepresentation in film/oscars? You have those 3 actors who have racked up 7 noms between them as being the only Spanish actors ever nominated in acting roles. Compared to 78 nominations for black actors.

It seems like you feel a lot more passionate about this than I am and I’m not really trying to debate it but it seems like gate keeping to say that people from Spain wouldn’t be considered people of color. I get that Spanish isn’t a race, but generally Hispanic people aren’t considered white. Some hick riding around with a confederate flag would likely fail to differentiate between somebody from Mexico and Spain.

I smell another psyop

Now they just made it worst for everyone

God this is beyond tone deaf. All they had to do was consider more diverse films, not make it a mandatory pre-requisite.

Weird

And im sorry for going in on you in the other reply for no real reason. I was assuming you were about to start arguing that people from spain aren't white because ive seen countless others rally around that idea on social media over the past few years lol

The crew part makes the most sense

I don’t think the Academy should really assert regulations on the stories directors want to tell. Antithetical to everything about good art

By this new criteria for what the movie has to be about, Parasite wouldn’t have won Best Picture.

This is so bizarre.

Eggers’ next film takes place in Iceland during Viking times

none of his movies would be considered LMAO

and Yorgos’ The Favourite was up for 12 Oscars but this new rule would disqualify it from best picture. So dumb

Lol you’re good. I’ve never seen the debate and it’s not something I really care about lol, I’ve just never seen anybody make the argument. I never assumed Penelope Cruz or Javier Bardem were white, I guess their skin color is whiter than other minorities but there are a lot of people of color with light skin that I wouldn’t say aren’t people of color because of that. I feel like people from Spain would probably be discriminated against, but idk stats or anything on it really so I’m not in a position to debate it

Basing your definitions of race on what stereotypical racists perceive is really strange and backwards.

You're comparing oscar noms of a nationality vs a minority racial group in America.

If it's "gatekeeping to say spanish people aren't people of color", then its also gatekeeping to say everyone who learned they have 1-5% sub-saharan african dna on 23&me isn't a person of color.

Now there certainly are POC who are also spanish, there's no doubt about that. But the celebrities you've named are not among that group — they're white people from spain.

Here's another example of someone being held back from consideration as a POC by gatekeepers:

What exactly is it about these Spanish celebrities that convinces you they must be POC?

It definitely would have. Every film from the past 20 years would qualify under these new rules. Don't buy into the sensational categories — look at the other 2 sections that virtually any film would have to actively and specifically try to fail at in order to be ineligible.

I mean I guess I can see how they could be more comparable to Italians, as a group that is obviously not American but would be considered white? I just think to the average person, Spanish people are just considered Hispanic.

Btw I’m not trying to argue that they are POC I’m just trying to understand why they’re not lol. I pointed out how racists would view them to make the point that Spanish people (as far as I know, again I am uneducated on the matter) wouldn’t really benefit from white privilege. On paper/legal documents they’re listed Hispanic, to most white people they’re considered Hispanic, I don’t really see how the Spanish experience would be much different than the experience of any other Hispanic minority.

gotta love hollywood man

lmao

White people don't come from America, so why would someone being "obviously not American" factor into considering them as white?

What the average person thinks is completely irrelevent.

For decades the average person thought being gay was an actual disease, as well as a rebranded form of pedophilia. The average person still likely considers gay men to be dramatically feminine upon their immediate thought of that group.

The average person considers "Asian" to be anyone in Asia who isn't from India, the Middle East, or eastern Russia/Siberia. (Go check out the "GOAT asian film" thread in this section for an anecdotal example of that on this very site.)

The average person in America likely considers all continental African people to be a cultural monolith (big thanks to recent pop culture for kicking that absurd idea back into overdrive).

The average person probably has no idea how recently or for what reason the term "Hispanic" was created, and have grown up hearing it used interchangeably with Mexican, Latino, and probably even "South American" in general. And since most of these groups predominantly speak a dialect of the Spanish language, the average person considers Spanish nationals as interchangeable with them as well. This also leads people to consider "Hispanic" as a singular race based on skin color, akin to white and black.

None of the "average considerations" above are remotely true or realistic. They're non-arguments.

The Spanish national experience in America is very different than the experiences of Latin Americans. For one, people in Spain haven't been subjected to centuries of murder, oppression, and politically-backed racism like the people who live and/or immigrated from south of the US border.

Another reason, specifically concerning the Spanish celeberities you named: those people are Spanish nationals — they aren't Americans. They made enough money in Spain to come to the Hollywood and work (while still working in Spain, mind you) to make even more money. Then they return to Spain (and likely have houses in both countries to better accommodate their international careers).

They aren't Cuban immigrants who grew up hearing constant jokes about his family swimming to Florida or being called slurs associated with that politically-charged era. They didn't come to America with nothing, or weren't a first generation American born to a poor immigrant family. Those Spanish nationals came to America with all the GameShark codes activated. Who cares if a handful of hicks confuse these famous tan people from Spain with Mexicans or Latin Americans? They have millions of dollars and laugh it off as they fly first class back to their Spanish villa on the sea.

So wait...if someone decided to make a monster movie and the only person in it was a white guy, they would automatically have 0 chance of getting in, even if it was the best movie ever made?

Unless every single employee on set, in the makeup and costume depts, artistic direction, set design, music composition, and every role in pre- AND post-production was a cishet white male....then it is HIGHLY unlikely that it would be ineligible based on the new Academy rules.

They'd have to make the monster a nigga

AKA, what American media has been doing for a hot minute

lmao

So a token black guy is now necessary

Bruh wtf

How you gon shot historic movies

You can still meet the criteria with an all white cast.