If Bernie became president we would have a 49-50 congress and the governor of Vermont is a Republican who would have appointed a Republican so the gop would have 1 more vote in the senate

McConnell would still be the majority leader

As much as I would have preferred Bernie, this was the only way

voting blue wont push progressive policies inherently

But really it has to be class over identity, no flowery new age academic jargon, just straight up telling them how this would impact them materially and not symbolically

Tying it to the Democratic Party would be difficult bc most of those people are consumed by partisan politics and have been taught to hate dems mostly for culture war issues, and bc most dems are not even in favor of these new deal style universal programs

They either have to be shown that there is a new breed of Democrat that are anti establishment, not corporatist, and not the SJW “woke” caricature they’ve heard so much about, or there needs to be some hope for a 3rd party that will push these policies

If you actually talk to the average person in the rural South and in the Midwest, most of them don't actually like Trump for the most part. They call him a "liberal New Yorker" at the end of the day, they just clearly like him more than a Democrat.

In theory, the best way to gain these votes would be the formation of a populist, new-blooded, genuine working-class party with people from those parts that agree with these policies, and lead a grassroots movement to eventually, over generations, move these ideas away from the "socialist boogeyman" and into a more digestible package.

Eventually resulting with a reformed educational system that strips away right-wing propaganda and lies that plague rural areas to create a more holistic and knowledgeable population to keep on "progressive" ideals.

In reality, this will never happen because the ideological state apparatus will only accept rich politicians with big pockets to have significant positions in office. There has never been and never will be a true working class party or even politician in power because it is straight up not possible in our electoral system.

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bernie warren etc even andrew yang.
slow change vote for someoen more progressive in primaries. instead of not voting work to change dem party to be more left

what about another dem thats progressive? people who are progressive just beed to back one person and push them its better than not voting

bc of neolibs who call everything class reductionism

Bernie is the only one out of those 3 that really represents anything actually left of center
I’ll give you Yang but that’s really only bc of UBI
If there’s a genuinely good democrat that’s already arrived at the policies I believe in, sure I’ll vote for them, but that’s in spite of them being a democrat not because of it
Trying to “push them left” is just a joke

yang a republica

so if AOC ran for president as democrat voting for her wouldnt do anything?

ubi isn't left of center its a centrist sleight of hand

If it comes with cutting social programs, then yes
But if implemented properly and without taking funding from social security etc, or without any means testing, that’s the kind of UBI the left should be supporting

how is warren not center left?

i think yang wanted it on top of social programs. but i dont remember.

either way its center left.

She backed down from all of her proposals that were even moderately left, is in favor of US militarism & imperialism largely due to the military industrial complex having a hold of her home state
See anything she’s said on Russia Iran Venezuela North Korea etc

Like I said, the reality is republicans are far right and unless we change the two party system that won’t happen

oh so you sayin she changed from her platform?

but still the only way to push progressive policies is to run them in dem primary. other wise nothing will change

I stand corrected

I have understood the governor was very moderate and socially liberal, so I guess this ain’t too surprising with context

Red states think anything left of fascism is socialism

I think the crucial thing to know about the rural voter is that at some level they understand that both parties are corrupt and ripping them off, they’ve just been fed more effective propaganda from the right wing, largely on cultural issues that really don’t affect their material circumstances but they buy into and will defend anyway

What would work is democrats in red states should vote in republican primaries to not have the Qanon members win

you think anything right of socialism is fascism. you arnt acting any better.

don't

push for more reforms to make voting easier and abolish electoral college. then implement those progressive policies without their input.

once those policies are put in place, they will see how good and helpful they are and they'll accept it. might even push for more progressive laws.