CLB Fractions

3y

you think anything right of socialism is fascism. you arnt acting any better.

red eagle

3y

don't

push for more reforms to make voting easier and abolish electoral college. then implement those progressive policies without their input.

once those policies are put in place, they will see how good and helpful they are and they'll accept it. might even push for more progressive laws.

CLB Fractions

3y

oh so you sayin she changed from her platform?

but still the only way to push progressive policies is to run them in dem primary. other wise nothing will change

The Young Blizzard

3y

Nah

Biden is only as voting for centrist policies

See, Ideally aoc would be the dem platform, and Joe manchin could be the republicans platform

ASAKI

3y

If you actually talk to the average person in the rural South and in the Midwest, most of them don't actually like Trump for the most part. They call him a "liberal New Yorker" at the end of the day, they just clearly like him more than a Democrat.

In theory, the best way to gain these votes would be the formation of a populist, new-blooded, genuine working-class party with people from those parts that agree with these policies, and lead a grassroots movement to eventually, over generations, move these ideas away from the "socialist boogeyman" and into a more digestible package.

Eventually resulting with a reformed educational system that strips away right-wing propaganda and lies that plague rural areas to create a more holistic and knowledgeable population to keep on "progressive" ideals.

In reality, this will never happen because the ideological state apparatus will only accept rich politicians with big pockets to have significant positions in office. There has never been and never will be a true working class party or even politician in power because it is straight up not possible in our electoral system.

NBA GameBoy

3y

Yeah she completely watered down her platform and moved further right every time she was given a chance to
Not only in the last election cycle either
And it already wasn’t the strong left platform the media wanted people to believe it was

I believe there is hope for a third party, I believe there’s hope for a true left branch of the Democratic Party to emerge from it and overtake it, but I also wouldn’t vote for a democrat over a Republican unless they shared these views on these policies, I’m not “voting blue no matter who”

CLB Fractions

3y

if a leftwing third party was to actually form and be competitive it would split dem vote for first few elections causing republicans to win. i still think best bet is through primaries

NBA GameBoy

3y

All that split the vote s*** is nonsense, I used to believe those arguments too but by that logic we should always vote for democrats no matter how s***ty they are bc there will always be the looming threat of the boogeyman republicans

CLB Fractions

3y

joe platform isnt much different from republican platform economically.

socially is where republicans differ they are more authoritarian which is what draws in blue collar votes

if trump ran on universal healthcare but kept social issues they would probably back it

The Young Blizzard

3y

Biden wants universal pre k $15 minimum wage, public option healthcare and free community college

Republicans say that’s socialism

Edit: why would blue collar workers want authoritarianism? Don’t they want freedom?

CLB Fractions

3y

the margins are so close in some states that it will split vote.

if libertarian party voters voted for trump he would've won election

NBA GameBoy

3y

I just don’t like hearing we’re gonna “split the vote” by voting third party bc it assumes we would otherwise have voted for the dem

But like we shouldn’t be voting for people who just don’t agree with us it’s as simple as that

The Young Blizzard

3y

Biden wants universal pre k $15 minimum wage, public option healthcare and free community college

Republicans say that’s socialism

Edit: why would blue collar workers want authoritarianism? Don’t they want freedom?

Synopsis

3y

he doesnt want those things

NBA GameBoy

3y

If it comes with cutting social programs, then yes
But if implemented properly and without taking funding from social security etc, or without any means testing, that’s the kind of UBI the left should be supporting

The Young Blizzard

3y

He literally had the $!5 minimum wage in the original ARP

Synopsis

3y

and did nothing to fight for it

fiveprestos

3y

look up his dave Rubin interview, where he intends for UBI to eliminate the need for social safety nets without accounting for inflation potential price hikes etc.

basically as you said going halfway on generally left ideologies has always proved to be an absolute catastrophe

frenchpress

3y

a good first step is to try talking to them w/o most of the preconceptions bein listed itt

CLB Fractions

3y

alaska has basically ubi there it works

The Young Blizzard

3y

Alaska honestly wouldnt be that hard to swing blue

Im pretty sure in one of the state legislature houses democrats have the majority