NBA GameBoy

3y

You don’t have to vote for either one

The Young Blizzard

3y

Because these policies(universal healthcare, universal college, strong labor unions, green new deal infrastructure jobs, byu) would heavily benefit rural communities, but they vote against their best intrests due to the GQP’s propaganda

How do we overcome these challenges and get the red counties to vote blue

Cudderwalks

3y

You aren't going to swing rural voters by using weak ass democratic policies.

Rural voters tend to distrust the government because they feel forgotten about

DuragDillinger

3y

The problem is representative democracy creating rigid voting blocks for parties rather than individual policies.

You aren't convincing the white working class that more unskilled immigration, more overarching oversight and bureaucracy, more federal government, more tax hikes 'for the rich' (only increases the costs of goods and living, especially for rural folks), more stringent gun control, and more identity politics is a good trade-off for lower carbon emissions and universal education.

They might support strong social policies when presented individually as would happen in a direct democracy, but they're not forfeiting their values, culture, and relative autonomy to get them.

Parties either need to become much less polarized on certain issues, or the representative aspect of democracy needs to be dissolved. The country will remain red and the cities blue otherwise.

The Young Blizzard

3y

And that’s why we should focus on economic issues that would help rural voters (taxing the rich, increasing Mimimum wage, free college and free healthcare)

DuragDillinger

3y

The problem is representative democracy creating rigid voting blocks for parties rather than individual policies.

You aren't convincing the white working class that more unskilled immigration, more overarching oversight and bureaucracy, more federal government, more tax hikes 'for the rich' (only increases the costs of goods and living, especially for rural folks), more stringent gun control, and more identity politics is a good trade-off for lower carbon emissions and universal education.

They might support strong social policies when presented individually as would happen in a direct democracy, but they're not forfeiting their values, culture, and relative autonomy to get them.

Parties either need to become much less polarized on certain issues, or the representative aspect of democracy needs to be dissolved. The country will remain red and the cities blue otherwise.

The Young Blizzard

3y

Well than maybe America’s individualistic culture of “I got mine f*** you” has to go

Edit: I never said approach it form an ipol perspective, but on economic reform

CLB Fractions

3y

why free college tho?

and "taxing the rich" the top income bracket federally is already like 40% lmao

CLB Fractions

3y

this tbh. Like universal healthcare coverage (not m4a) would pass if they just wanted to pass that It could probably get 60 votes in the senate to.

frenchpress

3y

a good first step is to try talking to them w/o most of the preconceptions bein listed itt

The Young Blizzard

3y

Yeah man, before Reagan the top bracket was 70%

In world war 2 it was 90%

The Young Blizzard

3y

Name 10 republicans who would support public option healthcare

CLB Fractions

3y

if it was well written and bipartisan and wouldnt raise taxes i think you could get 10 senators.

call it trumpcare and it would probably get votes 😭🤣🤣

CLB Fractions

3y

they had more deductions and loopholes then most people wernt actually payin that much.

40% is too high imo because theres still state taxes etc. so people could be giving away more then half of income

DuragDillinger

3y

Oh I know you never said that, I'm just giving my theory on why this happens and how it could be fixed. Because you are correct, a class-based approach is the most respectful and effective way to campaign for these things -- Democrats as a party just do a poor job of making that appeal to white rural people.

The Young Blizzard

3y

Man whatever

Trump cut the corporate tax rate by 40%, that’s a disgrace

The Young Blizzard

3y

Bruh Obamacare had 108 republican amendments but it was still a party-line vote

CLB Fractions

3y

yea cause dems didn't want to compromise. that wasn't bipartisan at all.

CLB Fractions

3y

i was talking about income tax. No one should have to pay more than 50% of income in taxes.

I agree corporate tax rate should be higher tho.

suzuki

3y

divorce these issues from intersectionalism and identity politics

The Young Blizzard

3y

That’s literally what I’m advocating for