Dec 16, 2024
notbrockHe’s not but go off
Why can’t y’all look at this s*** beyond a surface level? I don’t hate these people and want them to die or something lmao
I’m trying to break down why I think it’s led to the genre getting stagnant. Production has become very commercialized and removed some of the uniqueness and “soul” it once had before.
Y’all’s argument is “They just having fun bro it ain’t that serious”
That’s cool and all, Glad everyone’s having fun and making money but I’m actually trying to talk about the music here
That “they just having fun” mentality f***ed up so many of rap’s foundational “rules” and niggas will turn around and ask why rap hype, cultural engagement, sales etc is at its lowest point ever
Dec 16, 2024notbrockHe’s not but go off
Why can’t y’all look at this s*** beyond a surface level? I don’t hate these people and want them to die or something lmao
I’m trying to break down why I think it’s led to the genre getting stagnant. Production has become very commercialized and removed some of the uniqueness and “soul” it once had before.
Y’all’s argument is “They just having fun bro it ain’t that serious”
That’s cool and all, Glad everyone’s having fun and making money but I’m actually trying to talk about the music here
I never said what you said and production hasn’t stagnated
We literally just went thru sexy drill for the first time this year
rage before that and I’m sure there is another sound I’m missing in between, Michigan flow/sounds, before that niggas at a top level we’re falling in love with they cities leading into covid and we saw that with the projects released around that time or we are seeing these artists lean into that today I don’t think the genre has stagnated. Everything of quality is just not in the mainstream like that (which again isn’t even thaaaay true) which is good cause now you can engage in these communities sounds conversations without having to deal with trolls or dishonest listeners
Dec 16, 2024In the days of Timbo getting half a mil for a beat, there was a a lot of gatekeeping going on. With the arrival of the internet/SoundCloud, the barrier to entry was lowered, which is good, but that also opened the floodgates for bullshit so you really gotta stand out
- Dec 16, 2024·1 replyCRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
I'm thinking, f*** it, lemme give it a shot. This dude I knew back then was taking sound engineering courses and left me some basics but I haven't really gone through it until now
I only ask because it can be time consuming if you want to make music. I used to engineer and produce, now I just preset my vocals and hit homies or YouTube for beats and my workflow has been quicker with even better quality cause now I can focus on actually making a song
- Dec 16, 2024·2 repliesMr Sting
I’m telling ya when people start to study the fall of modern music they’ll see that where it all really went downhill was when being a musician meant being a content creator. Literally too the life out of music.
Its such a simple equation too
Niggas in the 70’s-2005ish just had to worry about being stylistically unique and consistent
Nowadays a nigga has to be ten other things before an actual musician/poet/lyricist. The rappers pretty much have been replaced by the best marketers/hustlers in the mainstream. Less about creative spirit more about who can “play the game” the best or knows the right people who know how to play the game lol
- Dec 16, 2024darklex150
Lmao, wtf is this thread, it stinks Old head. Only losers would hate on people making music.
If you dont like them you can ignore them. Its not like you are obligated to listen to this beats daily.
In fact, these guys made a positive impact for hip-hop, they hooked a lot of youngins into the genre. But you are too dense too understand
they f***ed up Rap from the trajectory it worked so hard to get to between 2005-2015
- Dec 16, 2024·2 repliesMr Sting
Great music could still be made with loops, problem is the main culprits of this method usually have that stupid “grind” mindset and don’t really have an musical ear or know music enough to get as far as they do.
Their skills are networking and getting noticed, not the music but the threshold for talent is so low nowadays that anyone in the right circles could get lucky and end up with a placement and start a semi-legit career from there.
Nigga i’ve watched this happen lmao
Its like the french montana tyga effect but for producers
- Dec 16, 2024·1 replyValentine
Ya’ll were never bout that DIY artist life if this how you viewing it
content creation is just the new medium to either catch up or fall behind remaining stuck in your ways Musicians are musicians and marketers are marketers. This inevitable rule is why Puff and Master P didn’t last beyond 5 years musically
- OPDec 16, 2024·2 replies
Oblivion XYeah i feel you on that. Like copycat producers were always a thing but yeah the type beats culture definitely had a role in allowing more copycats to flood the scene
The push back I'll give tho is that type beats aren't always a 1:1 copy of another producer's sound. While on one hand artists use to go to the super producers for a specific sound but then on the other hand a lot of producers also made beats for an artist in mind and their sound. So I think type beats are similar to the second point.
Yeah I should’ve been more clear on the type beats thing
I don’t think someone posting a type beat on YouTube is always a bad thing. As you said it’s usually just who the producer could hear on it
The bad part is the tutorials showing people how to copy something. The “how to make a _ type beat or sample”
- Dec 16, 2024·2 repliesValentine
I only ask because it can be time consuming if you want to make music. I used to engineer and produce, now I just preset my vocals and hit homies or YouTube for beats and my workflow has been quicker with even better quality cause now I can focus on actually making a song
Yeah time management is a real thing I hear what you saying
- Dec 16, 2024inspoeater
Musicians are musicians and marketers are marketers. This inevitable rule is why Puff and Master P didn’t last beyond 5 years musically
Ain’t no rule, do you. All I said was the DIY community is very large and active today with the current musical landscape in all genres. Speaking as someone madly in love with making music and learning the content game to expand on my own music ideas creatively in other ways I never thought before. Ya’ll steady let the select few who blow up determine what’s going on. F*** them stupid ass numbers. Community is thriving and active
- OPDec 16, 2024darklex150
Why are yo so pressed about these kids?
You sound like you sre jealous tbh.
The sun shines for everyone bro. You can make "type beats" or you can make experimental s***. Nobody is stopping you from being the next "big producer".
Still waiting on that YouTube channel big dawg
- Dec 16, 2024·2 repliesinspoeater
Its such a simple equation too
Niggas in the 70’s-2005ish just had to worry about being stylistically unique and consistent
Nowadays a nigga has to be ten other things before an actual musician/poet/lyricist. The rappers pretty much have been replaced by the best marketers/hustlers in the mainstream. Less about creative spirit more about who can “play the game” the best or knows the right people who know how to play the game lol
putting all that effort in your art just to get beat out by niggas that can come up with the best sound bites and marketing schemes
Dec 16, 2024deleteduser579putting all that effort in your art just to get beat out by niggas that can come up with the best sound bites and marketing schemes
- OPDec 16, 2024deleteduser579
putting all that effort in your art just to get beat out by niggas that can come up with the best sound bites and marketing schemes
They having fun and making money tho
- Dec 16, 2024·2 repliesCRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
Yeah time management is a real thing I hear what you saying
yeah i think it depends on how much u really wanna do it
cause for me personally, i despise everything about mixing let alone engineering lmao
ill do everything else besides that s***, im gonna pick up some basics but i don’t mind paying for a professional (provided i don’t get taxed) to do that lowkey
- Dec 16, 2024·1 replyCRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
Yeah time management is a real thing I hear what you saying
Time is valuable in our world. Gotta trim the fat somewhere to get really good elsewhere, especially when the trimming doesn’t affect much of anything lmfao. Thankfully I took that time to focus on engineering to get my preset so I never had to again
- Dec 16, 2024Free YoungBoy
Facts. Been saying “type beat” culture has been a negative for the genre
Type beats have always have me conflicted, when I hear a good one it’s like why ain’t you release this under your own name
then I realize I probably wouldnt have heard it without the title - Dec 16, 2024·1 replyValentine
That kid is .000001% of beatmakers lmao
Not sure that’s true anymore in the era of splice loops
Dec 16, 2024darklex150Lmao, wtf is this thread, it stinks Old head. Only losers would hate on people making music.
If you dont like them you can ignore them. Its not like you are obligated to listen to this beats daily.
In fact, these guys made a positive impact for hip-hop, they hooked a lot of youngins into the genre. But you are too dense too understand
They helped water down the music tho, like yea they put kids on but its all generic garbage for the most part
- Dec 16, 2024notbrock
I’m not talking about myself
Question real quick. What’s your opinion on that kid saying soul and boom bap are trash?
I couldn't care less about some random opinion
- Dec 16, 2024deleteduser579
only VSTs i use like that is Mini V3/Piano V2 i really only use like 2-3 presets in there max though, you don’t really even gotta use that s*** when you can just take a sample and use it to layer whatever beat you’re making
definitely need to see Kontakt though
haven’t sat down and learned any other VSTs in a minutei got Purity awhile ago and i love the UI but eh
There’s an inverse correlation to how big your kontakt library is and how good your music is
- Dec 16, 2024deleteduser579
yeah i think it depends on how much u really wanna do it
cause for me personally, i despise everything about mixing let alone engineering lmao
ill do everything else besides that s***, im gonna pick up some basics but i don’t mind paying for a professional (provided i don’t get taxed) to do that lowkey
And sometimes, just paying for the professional makes all the difference in the world. Them years of experience do count for something. I think I'll just end up learning the basics so that I'm not stranded
- Dec 16, 2024deleteduser579
yeah i think it depends on how much u really wanna do it
cause for me personally, i despise everything about mixing let alone engineering lmao
ill do everything else besides that s***, im gonna pick up some basics but i don’t mind paying for a professional (provided i don’t get taxed) to do that lowkey
In the great words of Jpegmafia: why would I pay 2000 dollars a song for someone to make my s*** sound like ass, I’ll make it sound like ass myself for free
- Dec 16, 2024·2 repliesinspoeater
Nope
All this “no hater” s*** is how we got here lol
Type beat culture directly killed off any chances of a return of a superproducer era (although piracy really what killed that) and even the mini era after that where there was a clear hottest rap producer (mike will metro mustard) lol. Pierre got in that seat and his style was so easily replicable and every candidate for it since other than BYNX has kinda been an offshoot of that style
How it "killed the chances" ?? LMAO
Man you are so f***ing dense
Acting like these kids got a monopoly on beats and instrumentals
Again, anybody can be a super producer. If you can't, dont blame the game, blame yourself for not being good enough.