OP didn't lie and it's crazy cause he essentially continued to do this on CMIGYL but I guess the excuse now was that "omg it's a mixtape !!"

Not really to the same extent, Are We Still Friends is a bit shocking as far as being karaoke over the sample. I can see where op is coming from where Tyler is sometimes crossing a line where he doesn’t sample he just straight up makes remixes, mash ups and covers. Which is all fine but with something like Donuts you know what you’re getting into. The thing with Tyler is he presents his stuff as “written composed produced arranged” by himself, it’s a little much tbh especially after s***ting on sampling and making a point of producing from scratch early on

Wtf

Tyler might as well go down the executive producer route and let other producers make beats him for at this point. He'd probably still add that "all songs produced, arranged and composed by tyler" tho

As a Tyler stan what bothers me more than the beats is the lyrics and choruses that are copied nearly verbatim with minimal alteration, that is just bad artistry

Broooooo this makes me so sad

I see no issue with interpolations/sampling and bringing history back to life but the way he carries himself as a musician’s musician makes this look bad

Didn’t realize this that’s crazy

What even crazier is if you listen to original you'd realize Tyler's version is trash compared to it. How do you straight up copy but still manage to miss lmao.

It also generally puts his past discog in question. I want to think he did cherry bomb bu there's a solid chance he's been doing a more sophisticated version of what he's doing here.

I mean the way this man speaks its pretty clear he's not a musicians musician. And no that's not because he doesn't use music theory

@NoGoodNamesLeft

Tyler needs to add "cover" to the title for most of these songs ngl. Silk sonic did so recently even though they reproduced and made minor changes to the original instrumental.

OP is definitely that old nigga on Youtube who does reviews

Cherry Bomb was all original instrumentation outside of some string sections he didn’t perform but composed and some samples

Igor kinda sucks

Igor is only cool Live

Why this website obsessed with Tyler tho? Niggas give criticism and someone’s always right there to defend it with biased views. Tyler sing made no noise since he left his core audience

Him saying he bites stevie chords is what's puts the pure originality in question. Like I could definitely see him lifting his chords out of synthesia youtube videos. But that's not really a crime or anything but there's a difference between that n just sitting at a keyboard. He doesn't talk like someone who makes their s*** from scratch. Dangelo would be a prime example of an actual musicians musician. Not that you have to be one to make great s***. Plenty on both sides make garbage but we shouldn't be faking. Kinda of a tangent post lol

Yeah exactly, good way to put it

Everyone bites if we wanna go that deep. Dave Grohl stole drums from the Temptations. Kanye took drums from Timbo. Cherry Bomb was him actually creating, composing and producing a lot of original production

Bro this is my first time hearing the song for Gone Gone and what the f***

What about running out of time @op ?

Ok well guess I’ll go into all the songs

Igor’s Theme - He looped a drumbreak and added all the other instrumentation. The synths he did on this song are beautiful and for op to say “I’ll give him his 5 saturated synth notes” is just straight up hating for no reason

Earfquake - Completely original

I Think - He used a drumbreak and interpolated the song “special lady”. Of course they sound similar, he literally interpolated the song. But I don’t see how this qualifies as a ripoff. I Think doesn’t sound exactly like what was interpolated. Dre and Ye interpolated songs all the time to get around having to clear the sample. The sample in All Falls Down is replayed and uses the lyrics from it same as this. You gonna call that a rip off?

Running Out Of Time - Completely Original. Only thing sampled is a vocal saying “Run” from a Run DMC song

New Magic Wand - Used a drumbreak, Everything else is original. I have no idea why op said this is basically just a cover like what the f*** are you talking about

A Boy Is A Gun - A chopped and looped sample with some added synths towards the end. Not really different than what Ye did with the sample. Tyler was also originally involved in the making of the original Bound

Puppet - He chopped up a sample and added other instrumentation to it. There is parts where he lets the sample breath more tho. Still nothing crazy if you like dudes like Madlib or Alchemist who do this all the time. Then another sample in the end used similarly to how Ye did on New Slaves where it’s mostly just a short piece of a song as the outro

What’s Good - Uses a drumbreak, everything else is original

Gone Gone, Thank You - For Gone Gone he sampled a song and added his own elements. I don’t see how this is directly a rip off. Of course the chords and melody are the same it’s literally a sample of another song, this is what sampling is lmao. For the The Thank You part he replayed part of the sample and used lyrics. However what tyler did is different sounding than the original idk why op is acting like tyler did nothing original on this

I Don’t Love You Anymore - He chopped a sampled and added his own elements. The sample is mainly just drums tho. This how most samples are used. For some reason Op says this is the most original song on the album which doesn’t even make sense since there are multiple other songs with no samples or songs that just used a drum break

Are We Still Friends? - He looped a large part of an Al Green song for this. There is some minor additional instrumentation tho. This the only one I can see what Op is saying but Tyler’s done similar things with Lone on wolf and the second beat on Smuckers. And once again the whole outro of New slaves does this exact thing. It’s Ye and Frank singing over an old song

On the cover he says all songs “written, produced and arranged by him”

He interpolated some lyrics but everything else is still him. Obviously he didn’t write some of the features lyrics but we know what he meant by saying this

He still produced everything. The only songs that are mostly just loops are A Boy Is A Gun and Are We Still Friends (which still counts as producing). Everything else is Original, Just used a drumbreak, or sampled a song and added his own elements

Obviously he arranged the structure of the songs

Was writing that on the cover a little egotistical? Yeah but clearly he was proud of this album

Op just mad at Tyler for some reason and acting like he’s a musical genius himself. Yet he won’t post his own songs cause he know they gonna get trashed. In the CMIYGL thread he claimed to be a real musician and would understand what he’s talking about if I produced like he did.

And to say Tyler is a talentless hack is hating. The dude can obviously compose music by himself and literally wrote a string section for 2seater

Also Op acting like every song he interpolated lyrics from he’s just doing a cover of it. Most of the time it’s only a couple lines and he even usually changes them up

Igor sucks donkey d***

Have u never listened to tyler before? He’s wore his influences on his sleeve his entire career man

Wow what if what if mash-up was an actual legitimate art form and what if Tyler was pretty good at mashing up samples and adding his personal touch on it wow that is crazy