4batz isn’t a plant, but for the artists that are: as musicians and fans we beg labels to take a risk and invest in artists that maybe aren’t doing millions but have talent/work ethic/potential.

the labels take that risk and push an artist with no following and get them on the radar, then we try our hardest to invalidate their success lol. what sense does that make!

lol yea the s*** i found/heard had more to do with the kanye side than the drake side. basically somebody told me something and i tried my hardest to prove it in a way beyond “somebody told me” but i rly couldnt so. i just decided not to include it. but it would explain how he linked w kanye

but at the same time hes not a plant based on what i heard, its just more like who is running that LV llc thing on vydia if u watched the video

artists arent planted, even when theyre connected, theyre just in a position where the right person can throw gasoline on the fire. but that person cant start the fire. if that makes sense lol

@op im gonna have to take 4bathz after gooning to this one, great work

some of the most talented and refreshing artists of this generation were/are hiding their deal

its so difficult for an artist in this climate to grow a large fanbase from nothing, it’s a shame that the audience will look at you like a phony because a label did what we’re literally begging them to do by giving you a shot lmao

also i get that the plant method is kinda manipulative, but it isn’t manipulative in a way that truly hurts anyone or even matters. cause the actual plants have to work and hustle for years just like an artist without a deal lol. it’s just that when they catch steam, a label is already there willing to offer a budget. in the grand scheme of things i hate that this narrative even made it to the general population because it means nothing for people. it’s just a reason to be mad

glad u could enjoy

Wagwan for certain man

Every meme page was posting that “I was not expecting this to sound like that” because of the ski mask R&B

For him to wipe his old music, have the viral meme page blast, have his second single be backed by Larry Jackson (Apple Music) company Vidya/gamma who also has Sexy Redd signed to them, etc he at least has much more of a team than the average person who says they’re independent. Industry plant has become one of “those” polarizing terms but if you have industry connections like Larry Jackson and full teams wiping all your old music from google lmao along with the money to do a promo blast…you’re not the same as someone even like @op who while talented and still building his thing, probably wouldn’t be able to start fresh tomorrow with a clean wipe from Google of all online content he’s ever put out, a meme blast to all the urban rap social pages and a deal with Larry Jackson promoting his most polished new single now that you’ve gained a following from what you’ve dropped before and can make it look like you got thousands of fans off of snippets and one song. Lmao come on

Don’t know how much of this you covered though

A nigga gotta be in way too deep to rather make this post with your real name than your ktt handle lmaoooo

Every new rapper who suddenly blows up out of nowhere is a plant don’t you get it? Everything about the music industry is smoke and mirrors. Consumers are the only ones not in on the scam.

yea i mean i agree with u. i think at the end of the day though these people, larry jackson, whoever, they cant start a fire. thats not something anyone in music can do except the creative side. they come in with the gasoline once the fire is already there. they have tons of other artists, not just 4batz and sexyy red, who have like 200k monthly listeners. the connection isnt enough on its own, and its more interesting to figure out why it all worked for 4batz in my opinion

lmfao

10/10 post

Professional hater lol

crazy post i know you only made the thread to do this joke and i respect it

I mean you don’t think it’s weird he has 2 songs out that are like a minute long and then gets a drake feature? People made fun of calling keem a plant too until we found out his cousin and chances rich past

If they didn’t have a traceable local grind or didn’t authentically go viral without a real plan on some Mario Judah or Lazerdim s*** lol they probably unironically are tho

Things like Soulja Boy or Lil Nas X or ice jj fish are the blueprint for how these companies now place artists in our algorithm lol

I was just watching bagfuel podcast with ray daniels and they were talking about how you have to get songs hot thru the internet first before radio. esso was talking too much as usual lol and said labels recruited him to help get Gunna back popping thru the internet because the snitch thing had him cold

he had a song that caught some steam, got the attention of some industry people and they helped with his next record and it blew up. the company he distributed it through is connected to larry jackson who has done business deals + has relationships with drake and kanye, so he likely told them directly about this new artist he’s working with that’s viral and they tapped in.

drake has a long history of being the first major artist to collab with smaller artists. he also has a history of releasing their collab on his label. this time he signed the artist to his label for a short term deal. same thing he did with makonnen.

none of this is really all that weird or even hidden, it played out publicly 🤷🏾‍♂️ can’t be a plant if a google search and contextual knowledge easily explains the story.

i think we mystify what tends to be a common process in an almost conspiratorial way. like you mentioning chance, is he a plant or a fraud because he or his fmr manager had bread to invest in his career? not at all, that’s the only way to get off the ground unless you go viral overnight which is lightening in a bottle. he never signed a record deal and never hid anything, so he’s not a plant 🤷🏾‍♂️

in past decades, pretty much every rapper was funded by street niggas trying to turn their life around

were jay z, joe budden, lupe, kendrick and ja rule industry plants and frauds because they had funding? no, of course not

i’m confused on how the perception shifted

Frank clone

I think it’s literally just cause bro doesn’t have a catalog of old music to be moving like he got a big budget. I think that’s literally the argument

the thing is nothing he rly did required a "big" budget, but i guess it depends on what u define as big

yup. its too obvious. they aint even let his clout build up long before drake feat. they really think we heard that song on tiktok then few weeks later drake just hears it then boom magically he's n the remix like yea right lmaooo

He's the product of "when the music doesn't match the video" trend and diet brent faiyaz aesthetics, end of story.

Holy s***

i mean neither did most of the people i named, thats my point

dame dash and hov gave mary j blige 10,000 in a brown paper bag to do can't knock the hustle and it was his first project.

also, as someone who has directed music videos for myself and others, ran ad campaigns on youtube/ig and is aware of what it takes to get on platforms like 4 shooters only, i promise you that what he did so far was not big budget at all. it was a modest budget and it could have no budget and done off relationships alone (outside of ads). really made everything work was a smart team and people connecting with the work once they were given the opportunity to hear it. i think sometimes we confuse good marketing and luck as some sort of nefarious hidden plan.

sometimes people just know what they're doing and things come together like they planned.