I personally think he is and the only obstacle I could see in his way of being widely regarded as one is volume

he has countless songs that are pretty much flawless from a songwriting perspective, his s*** sounds absolutely timeless and he has plenty of s*** that pushes the envelope in terms of songwriting

im not saying hes like Stevie level but at this point I think he has a very strong argument for being the best songwriter of the 2000s to date and that has to make him one of the best ever

like cmon

Ngl love you op but this tired ass topic could have been discussed in his official thread

Easily one of my favorite songwriters with the cerebral and tangential/metaphoric language he uses

It’s like skipping a rock effortlessly over a raging ocean

he's a good songwriter but he excels more in being unique sonically and how he conceptualizes bodies of work. frank is def a great singer with a lot of unique music and he's one of my fav modern r&b artists but i wouldnt rank him among the great songwriters just because lyrically he really isnt that great of a writer imo. he's good at conveying emotion more sonically than lyrically

i think a better question is

is he as good a rapper as people say he is

bc he can blend rap and singing like very few can

but idk sometimes his rapping feels a bit undercooked/forced

though his xmas freestyle from 2021 features his best rapping to date imo

Personally, I think he’s an all-time great but I know conversations get divisive when discussing the merit of his lyrics.

He raps worse than the worst rapper

This might be a tough question but I’m curious what “good writing” is to you.

I never really think about best songwriters but he one of my fav I guess that’s all I can really say

I really really disagree

Of all the things he’s good at, I think songwriting is his biggest strength

no

His best songs are covers, the rest is just random word association over evocative production.

its so so subjective. i dont know how to begin to build a case for how well a song is written, or how good someone is at doing it.

its weird to act like he's bad at it tho

he is extremely underrated in that regard

it’s a unanimous yes.

when ye, jay, beyoncé, justin timberlake, 3 stacks, kevin parker, james blake hell i can go on all say you’re one of the best, you’re up there with the greats.

don’t let these pretentious nerds talk down frank cuz he isn’t 80yrs old yet

Half of those people you named don't write they own s***

seems like you only get mentioned amongst the best if you’re writing hits after hits though

jay electricity, a poet with the pen (and discord mod) says he’s inspired by frank that’s all u need to know

OG sun kil moon / red house painters
jason molina
nick cave
leonard cohen
sufjan stevens
marvin gaye
prince

off the top of my head

Another "random word association and hope it sticks" specialist.

is jay and andre not enough?

it's just my personal opinion. i think frank is extremely talented but i think he's more talented musically than he is as a writer

eminem avy talking about “random word association” LOL