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  • Feb 12, 2023
    saint dot edumist

    that’s actually a pretty great point that you made about hip-hop, it’s definitely something that primarily plagues that particular genre, because i don’t really hear it in rock/pop etc. and it actually makes a lot of sense

    the nitpicks are justified regardless if you’re an academic or not, since we are talking all-time status, everything definitely has to be taken into consideration so good points regardless

    you be understanding what Billy Woods be rapping about? he’s one of my favorites just like you, but i’d be lying if i was to say i grasp what he’s getting at most of the time

    it makes sense since most rappers aren't really vocalists, so instead of stretching notes or melodies across time, they can't just let background production (which is often looping) just play alone, so to fill space they need to rap. that obv leads to situations where they have to expound significantly on what may otherwise be just a few bars. it's one of the issues the genre hasn't fully grown out of but is def something i think a lot of rappers are aware of. i think this is also why a lot of 00s underground hip hop devolved into lyrical miracle type s***, because they had a lot to say but couldn't condense it down musically so they had no choice but to put out the song equivalent of a doctoral thesis with as many adjectives as allowed in order to hit a page count. I think its only natural frank who treads the line between rapping & singing a lot, is gonna fall into this when he's rapping; it's very hard to avoid without giving it precision.
    w/ billy woods, depends on the album tbh, i think some of his work's more straightforward than others. i appreciate tho he doesnt really care if people listening innately understand what hes talking about. a lot of rappers have a different bad habit where they feel obligated to overexplain the concepts/topics to their audience

  • Feb 12, 2023

    Yes

  • Feb 12, 2023

    I don’t listen to him much but his writing style is definitely unique. Can’t think of anyone that comes close to it

  • Feb 12, 2023
    americana

    Easily one of my favorite songwriters with the cerebral and tangential/metaphoric language he uses

    It’s like skipping a rock effortlessly over a raging ocean

  • Feb 13, 2023
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    krishna bound

    it's hard for me to pinpoint tbh. there's obv a level of just personal connection with what's being said and how the lyrics are presented next to the actual composition of the music. i don't think music needs to be over-written or lyrically heavy to be "well written"; i love modest mouse for example and songs like Dramamine say enough with a few simple lines next to the long guitar and bass melodies. similarly, some of my fav frank songs are arguably his simplest lyrically (Self Control) or even literally just covers from other people (Moon River).
    i think what i appreciate lyrically is when things have a very poetic quality to them, whether that be in a more abstract presentation or in very direct storytelling.
    I personally like it a lot when people are writing in their own direction and are carving out a unique writing style that conveys their own type of sincerity rather than something others will necessarily directly understand - i think when things are like this you can enjoy the music w/o necessarily relating to it just because you can sympathize/emphasize with the topics.
    Another thing is i'm really just talking about the parallel integration of lyrics and writing into song structure. D'Angelo is one of my favoriter artists OAT but i would never put him on a songwriter list even if he has some profound songs (i.e. Africa, 1000 Deaths).

    I never thought of Self-control as lyrically simple. “I’ll sleep between y’all”, and “take down some summertime” are both really concise, evocative, unique, well written lines.

    High depth to word ratio and it sounds so sweet and natural

  • Feb 13, 2023
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    krishna bound

    i'm not really saying its not influential, i'm not downplaying the record or anything. i just mean like if i'm going to compare contemporary r&b albums from a writing standpoint, is Blonde really that much better written that like, CTRL? FKA Twigs LP1? Take Me Apart? Process? Mourn? Ego Death? I think musically and stylistically it differentiates itself significantly and has influence especially in its production and vocals, but i genuinely don't see an argument that it somehow has better lyrics than any of those. I think people just tend to emphasize with the lyrics more subjectively esp. since it's a male r&b singer and many alt/contemporary r&b singers are female

    I don’t think any of those albums get as real, vulnerable and metaphysical as blonde (apart from twigs but she’s not even in the same realm as frank - esp lp1)

    franks beauty is his range, to go from making something like lost to seigfried is no easy feat and none of the albums get as intricate with details as franks pen.

  • Feb 13, 2023

    yes

    i’ve always liked franks music but wouldn’t consider myself a stan

    he’s not an artist i listen to a lot but every time i do it’s an experience, like i’m fully tuned in

    but i’ve been listening to a decent amount of frank as of late and that bull and the matador in the sky line struck a chord with me idk why

    its nice imagery and how he delivers that line as well is just 10/10

    plus bulls have a very special place in my heart

  • Feb 13, 2023
    hungryhippo69

    i think a better question is

    is he as good a rapper as people say he is

    bc he can blend rap and singing like very few can

    but idk sometimes his rapping feels a bit undercooked/forced

    though his xmas freestyle from 2021 features his best rapping to date imo

    LOVE franks rapping

    would love a whole rapping project

  • Feb 13, 2023
    frank 2022

    I never thought of Self-control as lyrically simple. “I’ll sleep between y’all”, and “take down some summertime” are both really concise, evocative, unique, well written lines.

    High depth to word ratio and it sounds so sweet and natural

    i didn't really mean simple in a bad way. the lyrics you quoted are evocative but they're straightforward, you can tell what they're trying to convey very easily especially in context of the song. i think the song is very direct to the point and lyrics are incredibly straightforward. it's a very raw song emotionally. i think it's one of his best written songs specifically because it's very to the point in what it wants to convey and say to the listener.

  • Feb 13, 2023
    XTAL

    I don’t think any of those albums get as real, vulnerable and metaphysical as blonde (apart from twigs but she’s not even in the same realm as frank - esp lp1)

    franks beauty is his range, to go from making something like lost to seigfried is no easy feat and none of the albums get as intricate with details as franks pen.

    i have to disagree with you tbh. i think the only reason people think blonde is more real/vulnerable than its contemporaries is because they sympathize with the topics in it more - which is absolutely fine, music is subjective and that's the entire point of finding and following artists you like. i just think the strengths of blonde are in the unique musical sound, sonic progression, and emotional range of the album rather than in songwriting intrinsically.

  • Feb 13, 2023
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    hungryhippo69

    i think a better question is

    is he as good a rapper as people say he is

    bc he can blend rap and singing like very few can

    but idk sometimes his rapping feels a bit undercooked/forced

    though his xmas freestyle from 2021 features his best rapping to date imo

    U-N-I-T-Y ended that debate 6 years ago

  • Feb 13, 2023
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    Easy yes. He's the only musician right now that I'd buy a book from. He has an amazing level of lyricism And songwriting (i personally think they are different aspects of songcraft) His lyricism is the closest to the best of all time like Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, sly stone. Lennon. He would've been big in that Era of writers.

    But he also knows how to create/ lead a collective to create boundary pushing sonics, up there with the best producers of that style, like Brian eno, with an insane level of detail in regards to song structure like kate bush
    ,mj and prince. Idk, he just has that capital A "Artist" factor that the 60s-90s greats had. It's sorely missed and he one of the only mainstream acts today really bringing that energy.

  • Feb 13, 2023
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    U-N-I-T-Y ended that debate 6 years ago

    damn i honestly totally forgot about UNITY

    easily his best rap performance

    for some reason i don’t like him on RAF tho

    Purity is also great

  • Feb 13, 2023

    Of course, Thinkin bout u, Crack Rock, Monks, Ivy

  • Feb 13, 2023

    He's great

  • Feb 13, 2023
    hayabusa

    no