Lol shut up

I didn’t say he invented the thing itself, but he’s the main producer who has led to that sound being dominant in the 2020s and helping to shape a specific type of drumless sound, no f***ing s*** he didn’t invent a drumless loop you dumb ass.

Main producer? No. He definitely helped tho. Don't get mad at me cause u used the wrong term. Do better.

You can be a pioneer in the application of something without inventing said thing.

Ktt loves to hate when things become popular

Yeah but u would have to be among one of the first. Alc is over 10 years late on it. That style started with the sp404. That's what Earl used on SRS

the great escape & continuance out now

the great escape & continuance out now

Imagine not feeling something when this come on:

Alchemist was already leaning towards this sound by like 2011-2012 with certain beats for Currensy and Action Bronson, and on Domo’s No Idols.

I’m confused, are you giving SRS credit for pioneering the sound? Fetti came out a month before and was on the same wave, not to mention The Carrollton Heist from 2016 2 years before. Somewhere by like 2014-2015 alchemist production already took a turn from his older sound towards the one we know today. And Earl is literally a protege of alchemist lol a lot of his sampling is probably inspired by him

I mostly agree, i think its a really great album, but there are some lackluster beats holding it back from being the undeniable classic that an earl/alc album should be

bro has producing for nearly 30 years and niggas just forget that due to 2 years f*** out of here

the way we do our older statemen and expect them to be as fresh as the day stepped off the porch 20+ years later is f***ing wild in this genre

@Laced this is literally 11 years ago, and you say alchemist is 10 years late to this drumless s***? You’re buggin. No one was really making beats like this at that time either. Alc been had this sound you slept. This was pioneering the SRS type s*** that would end up growing such a lane.

@Laced another one from 2012

No. SRS was simply an example. That sound rose with the use of the SP404 in the LA beat scene as early as 2005. Madlib is probably the godfather of it honestly. He was using the sp303 in the 90s and mainly using loops with minimal drums. Knxwledge is also someone who I would call a pioneer

Madlib the real inventor obviously but Alc with the rap camp movement and the rush of collab projects in the late 10s early 20s has made him an essential figure in that sound too.

He arguably spread the sound more than Madlib did and has turned it into more of a specific vibe than just minimalist beats/loops. He made it into this more hazy smoky thing

If we’re just arguing about the semantics of the word pioneer and the fact that it is not the same as inventor then whatever lol but Alchemist was doing this as early as Knx

or maybe some ppl like alchemist and some ppl dont

we should finally agree that palisades is the best beat of 2023

you spend all day on this site, so you know for a fact Alchemist is overrated on here

keep your bullshit centrist pluralism on Reddit

I feel like metro didn’t even do majority of production on this lol

even that track he gave to Danny f***ing sucked, and that was one of the only manic Danny cuts on the new album

tired of that nigga, them Griselda boys are running laps around him

Not even really replying but i really wish he'd lean into s*** like haram more tbh sound is so special

For ~25 years lmao

liter f***ing rally

That’s not even what I was saying

We ain’t doing this again lmao

There’s no way you saying No Idols is mid

Man you gotta go give that another listen