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  • Jun 20, 2021

    😐

  • Jun 20, 2021

    no

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    knockknockwhoitis

    ok MJ was not bigger in death. every artists's work just becomes more valuable in death, especially if they die unexpectedly, and that's why MJ's biggest record deal came after he died. RIP to the goat

    No it didn’t

    In March 1991 MJ signed the biggest deal of all time (at the time) so the point is invalid

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    Danhust

    So he didn't die after a pedo case that hurt his reputation a lot? My bad. Must have imagined it.

    Even if he was innocent, the damage had been done.

    Completely ignoring This is It and the Jackson rampage it ensued.. for what? A false narrative everyone knows is exactly that, false?

    What damage? Thriller 25 was a worldwide success, Visionary singles collection charted all over the world and TII sold out instantly. Of course it wasn’t good, but to imply it was game over is outright incorrect.

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    KingOfPop

    No it didn’t

    In March 1991 MJ signed the biggest deal of all time (at the time) so the point is invalid

    the biggest record deal of all time is worth $250 million and was signed by MJ's estate in March 2010

    "The Michael Jackson estate and Sony Music have reportedly agreed on a seven-year, 10-project, $250 million pact that will be the most lucrative in music history"

    Per the Wall Street Journal

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    knockknockwhoitis

    the biggest record deal of all time is worth $250 million and was signed by MJ's estate in March 2010

    "The Michael Jackson estate and Sony Music have reportedly agreed on a seven-year, 10-project, $250 million pact that will be the most lucrative in music history"

    Per the Wall Street Journal

    Again - not the point. Your point is that MJ must be bigger in death because he had the biggest deal of all time after dying.

    Which is incorrect as you can see he signed contracts like this whilst alive.

    Just because the number was bigger after he died, does not mean he was bigger in death. Different time.

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    KingOfPop

    Completely ignoring This is It and the Jackson rampage it ensued.. for what? A false narrative everyone knows is exactly that, false?

    What damage? Thriller 25 was a worldwide success, Visionary singles collection charted all over the world and TII sold out instantly. Of course it wasn’t good, but to imply it was game over is outright incorrect.

    June 25, 2014

    thewrap.com/michael-jackson-has-sold-more-albums-since-his-death-than-the-last-13-years-of-his-life

    Headline: Michael Jackson Has Sold More Albums Since His Death Than Over The Last 13 Years of His Life

    Subhead: King of Pop has sold 13.228 million albums since his death in 2009, compared to 13.152 million from 1996-2008

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    knockknockwhoitis

    June 25, 2014

    https://www.thewrap.com/michael-jackson-has-sold-more-albums-since-his-death-than-the-last-13-years-of-his-life/

    Headline: Michael Jackson Has Sold More Albums Since His Death Than Over The Last 13 Years of His Life

    Subhead: King of Pop has sold 13.228 million albums since his death in 2009, compared to 13.152 million from 1996-2008

    Moving the goalposts - are you now saying MJ is bigger in death than he was in the years preceding his death?

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    KingOfPop

    Again - not the point. Your point is that MJ must be bigger in death because he had the biggest deal of all time after dying.

    Which is incorrect as you can see he signed contracts like this whilst alive.

    Just because the number was bigger after he died, does not mean he was bigger in death. Different time.

    depends on how you are measuring "bigger"

    he signed bigger deals in death than in life, so the music was more in demand. however sure in the 80's / 90's he could just stand still and people would faint so he was bigger in that sense

  • Jun 20, 2021
    knockknockwhoitis

    depends on how you are measuring "bigger"

    he signed bigger deals in death than in life, so the music was more in demand. however sure in the 80's / 90's he could just stand still and people would faint so he was bigger in that sense

    The music was not more in demand post 2009 as it was when he was alive.

    Just look at the release of Bad, Dangerous and even History. These were huge moments in time - just because Sony signed a flashy deal after MJ died doesn’t mean suddenly he was going to do better numbers/generate more interest

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    KingOfPop

    Moving the goalposts - are you now saying MJ is bigger in death than he was in the years preceding his death?

    there are lots of different ways to measure influence and fame. album sales and the dollar amount fo a contract, those are just one way

    obviously there is the era where hundreds of thousands of people would stand outside his hotel room. but the immediate aftermath of his death was something we will probably never see again. he set commercial, billboard records that week and that year. he occupied tons of chart positions all over the world

    idk if that means he was "bigger" then than he was before, but I think it's easy to forget just how big he was / is in death

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    knockknockwhoitis

    there are lots of different ways to measure influence and fame. album sales and the dollar amount fo a contract, those are just one way

    obviously there is the era where hundreds of thousands of people would stand outside his hotel room. but the immediate aftermath of his death was something we will probably never see again. he set commercial, billboard records that week and that year. he occupied tons of chart positions all over the world

    idk if that means he was "bigger" then than he was before, but I think it's easy to forget just how big he was / is in death

    You are equating him being bigger with the signing of a deal, they are two very different things. Its not semantics as you claimed earlier in this thread and I'm not sure why you think this.

    Also that 1996 to 2008 stat is meaningless as he was at his peak before 1996.

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    How old are you

  • Jun 20, 2021

    No. he was moving like the Pope (if not bigger in certain cases) at his peak.

  • Jun 20, 2021

    Anyone Tyson Jordan Jackson

  • Jun 20, 2021
    BlueDream

    How old are you

  • OG KobeToThe 🇩🇴
    Jun 20, 2021
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    Doing Patrice dirty by having him your avi

  • Jun 20, 2021
    Platinum

    You are equating him being bigger with the signing of a deal, they are two very different things. Its not semantics as you claimed earlier in this thread and I'm not sure why you think this.

    Also that 1996 to 2008 stat is meaningless as he was at his peak before 1996.

    yeah i already said he wasn't bigger. just a little surprised his deal was bigger, but it makes sense since there's increased interest after a death

  • OG KobeToThe

    Doing Patrice dirty by having him your avi

    true

  • Jun 20, 2021

    F*** no

  • Jun 20, 2021
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    real question is will there ever be someone bigger and is it even possible in this day and age

  • Jun 20, 2021
    Pinhead

    No

    but his public perception is definitely a lot more favorable now compared to the last few years of his life

  • Nuja 🫶🏾
    Jun 20, 2021

    Absolutely not that man was bigger than life and death tbh. Probably only thing that will ever be bigger than Michael is God

  • Jun 20, 2021

    Biggest star the world has ever seen/will ever see and that isn’t hyperbole