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Mosts artist are lucky to rap on 1 beat like that their whole career. The fact kanye came with 4 insane beats like that makes it a classic & push doesn't disappoint w the lyricism

Albums used to be shorter. I like the 27 minute length. Have listened to it like 6 times. Would've been less had it been longer.

its also easier to tell my friends to listen to it, if i tell my homeboy its an hour and a half long he'll probably check out the first 4 or 5 songs but since its only 27 min more people are able to listen to it/talk about it

I’d say it occupies a place just a tier below a classic album. Personal classic for sure

Length does not define a classic.

Interesting that the main gripe with this album is length (after mixing).

People want these tracks to be double their length and they want more of these songs.

If not having enough is a problem, that’s a win. Like a fine-dining experience - people hate on the food because of the small portions.

Sure but Push and Ye have given a lot of classic music, which means some classic level material will be forgotten even if it shouldn't be..

Like will people talk about this over the College Dropout, Blueprint, Hell Hath No Fury, Be, 808s, Grad, LR, WTT and MBDTF? Cos it almost has to be that good to be remembered with a discography as good as theirs

Cigarette boats is a classic and it's 4 songs

who says that an album has to be on par with an artists entire discography for it to be a classic? i would argue it just has to be memorable. either the music is insanely good or it has some lasting culture impact.

Daytona is incredible music AND it had cultural impact. it will forever be at least a footnote in the rap history books for starting the drake/pusha beef. There would be no Story of Adidon without Daytona and Infrared

His performances JIK era already GOAT atm. Could really be a Yeezus esque tour

Use this Gospel at the forum is a top 10 ye performance oat

That's true and I don't think that. I just think there's only so much that can be remembered and realistically when people bring up these artists they might look over Daytona as good as it is.

Like it's not that it has to be on par, it just might get outshined and outremembered

I was among people who haven't listened to listening parties or to any leaks. I'm just saying that people are very hyped for a new Kanye, but he keeps putting songs in the vault.

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Lol, if the album was good enough and twice longer. You would've listened to it 3 times. In my opinion, such a length actually forces you to listen to the album back to back.

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Yes, actually I very like JIK and been listening it, atleast twice a day, but come on, nobody says that Yeezus is too long or that TLOP is too long. It is about experience,I want to, using your example, feel full, and don't order the same stuff twice.

My point was that shortness on JIK is intentional, Kanye probably cut some songs, so he has a smaller chance to fail, and he even cut the length of the songs. He literally vaulted Up from the Ashes, and some other songs right in front of us. I think that if it was an EP, ok, but he calls it an album and it is weird. I like JIK,I want more of this, and at the same time I understand that the album has its flaws, and it's not a classic,

is king. Bless UP!!

How could you call this an EP tho? The production value and everything around it. The dedication to one direction to the point he's spending around 1 million a month to deliver Sunday Service's. This is an important statement for him from one of the most special artists of the last few decades.

It's 9 full songs, 2 interludes - how is that an EP to you? An EP is 5-6 songs at most. Are you telling me that Prince's 80s classics aren't albums? Surely not? Cos by your logic they aren't.

what if it's short cos he wants it to be inspired by the gospel tracks he loves? I know some songs he references like Never Would Have Made It by Marvin Sapp have long original recordings but a lot of the music he used to subtly reference gospel on TCD, LR, Be, Pablo, Only One - comes from a different tradition pioneered and popularized by artists such as Rosetta Tharpe who mostly have recordings around the 2

Take that on top of how he always loves to relate gospel to what's going on right now. There's been a move to shorter song structures and lengths within hip hop - think about the younger artists coming through and soundcloud rap hits. This seems an amazing time to do this kind of short song structures because they relate to the era of gospel that inspired most great soul, R&B and rock music as well as a lot of hip hop as well as the way rap is leaning structurally at the moment in general.

Also any longer and the album most likely goes into other territory. He wants to make a completely devotional album, it

And I go back to my point - if artists like Prince, the Rolling Stones, John Lennon and David Bowie had seminal, often classic albums just as short why can't Kanye? Or would you tell them their albums weren't real albums and were weird too despite their long lasting impact, praise, success and how well-loved those projects are?

If you don't think it's good music, that's fine, but really what's wrong with the length? Are you saying all 30 minute albums are bad? You're telling me albums like Dirty Mind aren't classics??

Interestingly I heard a gospel historian saying Kanye's album being 30 minutes long makes it more purposeful because you're about to go on that 'spiritual' journey in a way that fits in with your daily life. In a car journey or while making some food etc. I think for those types of listeners these types of albums are really important parts of their day and maybe they want projects that they'll always be able to fit into their days.

And if they're needing more - go watch a 90 minute Sunday Service or listen twice.

And really, have you ever listened to a 9 track, 2 interlude EP?

Agree, but ye cut this s*** short on purpose for whatever reason 😭 one of his dumbest deciscions ever

Perhaps UFTA and other tracks are for JIB

I highly doubt he cut tracks and kept it short for fear of failure. People liked the longer leaked versions more because they were more fleshed out. So not a failure.

If Daytona and kids see ghosts were 40-50 minutes they would be considered some of the best albums ever made but because they’re 20 minutes they’re just ktt/reddit classics

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