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  • Aug 31, 2021

    this isn't really a fully formed thought but i almost feel like a lot of the excessively handwringing-y reaction to donda comes from a decade plus of people feeling growingly obliged to curate their own personal image and views around select artists and brands that align with those views. it's no longer enough to like or dislike an artist but rather you need them to have the same views and moral touchstones as you do too and this entire thought process seems to stem directly from a very neoliberal mindset imho.

    kanye west has never really aligned himself with liberal politics nor experienced a huge dip in appeal due to not doing so. this isn't to say kanye doesn't say or do stupid stuff or imo have bad views on political/social matters ofc. but i can see how this must be very frustrating to journalists (by and large 'liberals' rather than say leftists) who have in the past put kanye on a pedestal for his musical output and now find themselves desperately trying to reconcile this love with the new era of personal branding mentioned above. so what we get is reviews giving him 0 stars because marilyn manson was on the album and middling reception where even a week previous it would have been far more positive in almost the exact same form.

    i don't really think it's possible to separate 'art from artist' without being disingenuous as f*** but there is also a clear recalibration going on within the music journalism biz and this is going to only make for growingly uncomfortable reading over the years as more and more artists continue to fail to market themselves in the 'right' way. there is value in good and interesting and thought provoking music journalism but there is also the risk that all of this gets lost in awkward moral contortionism that many will see for what it is.

    also sorry but kanye knew what he was doing with the marilyn manson appearance and to a lesser extent the dababy feature so he or his most ardent fans can't be too surprised if people react badly to it. marilyn manson is washed up as f*** and hasn't been relevant in over a decade and is also literally an abuser. this wasn't even a secret before this year which ties into what i said above about moral contortionism fwiw. but correctly he is a persona non grata and there is zero musical or social value to him awkwardly moping around in a stadium and then singing a line in a hook of an inferior version of a song already featured on the album. this was all intentionally provocative and you can't be too mad if people rise to that bait.

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    its not the deep everybody not gonna like the music

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    We are all hypocrites to some degree

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  • MmmHmm 💥
    Aug 31, 2021

    Exhausting....

    Never the right time to go

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    “This was all intentionally provocative and you can’t be too mad if people rise to that bait”

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    I just be listening to the album

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    Meanwhile b****es are having Dr. Luke the rapist produce hits for them and getting passes.

    It is what it is.

  • Aug 31, 2021

    Simplest answer is that Ye just doesn't care, OP. yeah, he knew what he was doing with Manson and DaBaby. He knows EXACTLY the reception he will get for his actions. He doesn't give a f***.

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    Im sorry bro but im illiterate and not reading that bullshit

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    math fifty

    U a hoe bro get off Kanye nuts for once if u don’t wanna hear no criticism against him grow the f*** up and realize the real world

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    Bobby_96

    Meanwhile b****es are having Dr. Luke the rapist produce hits for them and getting passes.

    It is what it is.

    this is kinda my point too though, there's gonna be a lot of awkward discussions at music websites and elsewhere as this progresses becuase ultimately the industry is a deeply unpleasant one

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    Nothing but fax OP

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    I thought for a second the formatting was bad, but I realized op was speaking to us with only no cap

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    Which song is Marilyn Manson on?

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    Bobby_96

    Meanwhile b****es are having Dr. Luke the rapist produce hits for them and getting passes.

    It is what it is.

    vulture.com/2020/02/judge-rules-kesha-defamed-dr-luke-lady-gaga-katy-perry.html

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    ASAKI

    I just be listening to the album

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    Kanye is actually a fan of Marilyn tho in terms of music

    It wasnt just an out of nowhere thing & iirc he's been opened to working with him before

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    "i don't really think it's possible to separate 'art from artist' without being disingenuous"

    inaccurate

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    Twist Your Cap

    "i don't really think it's possible to separate 'art from artist' without being disingenuous"

    inaccurate

    Totally accurate

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    Q3D

    Totally accurate

    you keep trying to talk to me today... can you quote someone else?

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    Twist Your Cap

    you keep trying to talk to me today... can you quote someone else?

    Litteraly the first time I quoted you today lol

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    class wario

    this is kinda my point too though, there's gonna be a lot of awkward discussions at music websites and elsewhere as this progresses becuase ultimately the industry is a deeply unpleasant one

    Yup. And, when it all gets exposed to the public, all those female/gay Pop stans on Twitter are going to be looking like this with all the excuses:

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