Word. I don't know what people need to realise that all the outrage is performative. The hypocrisy is on display 24/7.

You really think these two situations are comparable?

Gaga didn’t ask to get raped and impregnated, so talking about this, even if she doesn’t name the dude is already hard for her. If she named him that would escalate s*** and maybe she didn’t want to spend years dealing with that? Idk. Nobody gonna cancel her for choice.

KanYe literally just asked a man publically accused of multiple assaults to get on his highly anticipated album and front and center on his big event. Especially being on a song about going to jail which a lot of people are taking as mocking his victims.

Not even trynna sound rude but we really comparing Ye to a rape victim

Honestly this tweet sums my views up better than I could lol

This is worthy of an article too

you are the whole circus

True, I didn't read it right.

I think you're correct, but also, we have no clue when "critics" are serious anymore. They are rewarded for driving clicks, not for saying correct things. KTT2 has talked way more about Pitchfork, Independent, and a few random women on Twitter than the very good StereoGum review. I would argue the Pitchfork review is actually very fair as well even if you disagree with the number which is an average of many different people's opinion anyway.

We say we want them to do better, but if we only engage with the controversy, expect more of it.
It's kind of hilarious for Kanye West fans not to understand that.

Ktt at its finest

the real world is that these journalists made a fool of themselves and proved the exact point Kanye was trying to make

this is just facts

Yup. I'm the circus but I can make a whole list of people who collabed with R Kelly when those allegations and accusations were going on for many years.

And yes...he wasn't convicted yet but those same people had thousands of excuses for why they "succumbed" to collabing with him when he was convicted later on which means that they did feel guilt when they worked with him.

Music industry is a demonic circus in general. Just appreciate the music and leave it at that.

Reviews in 2021

he literally only got away with that bc he claimed he’s not a public figure, which was later proven to be a flat out lie (as if that even had to be proven about mega producer Dr. Luke)
vulture.com/2021/06/kesha-won-legal-battle-anti-slapp-dr-luke-lady-gaga-katy-perry.html

Wasn't really my point. Just pointing out that her claims are kinda sus. She got caught lying about dude claiming he raped Katy Perry n Katy Perry denied it.

That dude knows he's a public figure. His legal team probably just tried to say he not so they could sue her for defamation, cus legal bullshit aside, we all know that was defamation.

Again, stuff like this is only gonna make for awkward contortionism for a lot of people. Griselda are already darlings for a lot of people in the music biz so interesting to see them reconcile this with what is largely similar to what Kanye did (and tbh it's not like everybody else on the album isn't tacitly supporting marilyn manson appearing anyway)

Maybe they'll all pivot to saying wsg is the worst member of griselda which I guess is true lol

Wonder if he would've released after the second event..if the media reaction would be this bad. Manson and Da Baby appearances really rubbed media members the wrong way lol

at least fantano had a fair critique of their inclusion on the album

who’s this?

It’s funny cause even during Wyoming sessions his lyrical input came from a liberal standpoint with songs like Cops Shot The Kid, Pro mental health themes, etc

yeah and tbh most of his praise of Trump never went beyond 'I like his energy'

in light of how fragmented political discourse is now, it looks pretty benign

I can sympathize with the need for an energetic, charismatic leader and so can a lot of people

people who cancel people don’t know who Griselda are so this will be brushed to the side lol

good thread

Idk I saw this pic last night and maybe it’s because of the barbaric abortion ban in Texas and the floods in nyc where I live both making me feel pretty hopeless, I was pissed.

Part of me is like, we have no outlet for political organization at the very moment when it’s most needed, and so we critique celebrities and ‘favs.’ It’s the only form of political expression people have left. It’s an index of our impotence.

They will just go back to bashing him about Trump, "slavery was a choice" , pro-life position and his other Conservative Christian ideals. Manson and Baby were just fresh targets.

As I see outlets who gave Kanye zero stars for featuring Marilyn Manson give out 5 star reviews to Kendrick (whose politics are generally seen as good) without so much as a mention of Kodak Black, i am reminded of this