Its just some s*** that sounds hot on the internet

Only white pop fans say this s***

Vol 1

The non-Kanye produced song, produced by none other than No ID (shoutout my other comment) on MCHG broke Kanye and Jay’s relationship cause it was that good so…

a 55k #1 is INSANE lmfaooo Ye def saved that nigga

we need a thread on how bad music was overall before niggas start attacking rap if Pusha went #1 with just 55k in 2022

Where you 20 when illmatic came out?

this holds up, jay z would not have been able to be as popular into the 10s if it was not for kanye. this is just reality lol

Explain

There was a definite frenzy about Ye at the time period, the Taylor Swift stuff, "George Bush doesn't care about black people" him moving away from a traditional hip hop sound (multiple times) and still finding success.

It may have not been reflected numbers wise but imo in terms of relevancy there wasn't much Hov was doing at the time to generate buzz like the way Ye was.

And yeah Hov spent decades building that mammoth empire of his (which yes, Ye 100% benefitted from) so credit to him for getting 450k+ on every release but generating buzz is a whole different story.

Hard thing to measure, so I guess a lot of this is just "I remember it this way" but Hov definitely aligned himself with a character that was widely seen as wild and untamed not just in the white folk world but also in hip hop for him deviating a lot from the norm at the time.

Kingdom Come is overhated

The first one (BOBW) was nice

Sunshine is a summer banger

No ID didn’t produce Empire State of Mind

Come on, I know we all hate the jackass Kanye now, but Jay with Kanye from like 2008-2012, is very important to his longevity and giving him a second big run with a younger crowd. Kanye had the midas touch at that time even by association. I think he has found his comfort spot after MCHG, but Kanye was a big part in bridging the gap to elder statesman of rap.

Watch the Throne - self explanatory….Kanye even said Jay was keeping songs that Kanye intended for his projects for that project. The project benefited Jay Z more than Kanye. Even some of what ended up on MCHG was originally intended for WTT.

Blueprint 3 - NO ID’s involvement is probably because of Kanye. Look at the credits. Kanye has co-production on a lot of those tracks with NO ID because they likely started with him and Kanye. NO ID is Kanye’s mentor. If you think Kanye didn’t have any involvement in NO ID even being in Jay’s orbit, idk what to tell you.

With Kanye:

“Monster” - we know Jay sounded uncomfortable on this song.
“Power Remix”
“Run This Town” - we’re going to pretend Kanye wasn’t the draw to that song?
“Clique”
All of Watch the Throne
“Death of Autotune” - Kanye gave him the idea ironically.
“Swagger like Us”
Good amounts of BP3…probably the better parts of it along with NO ID.

Without Kanye = Jay Sinatra
“Meiple” with Robin Thicke - what a disaster
“Suit and Tie” - lol, a correction to the above abomination. Jay without ye during this time period was trying to be this Frank Sinatra type figure of rap, and idk it came off like how it sounds: dated.
“Empire State of Mind” - undeniable hit, but i once again feel like it’s this Frank Sinatra type song.

And
“On to the Next” - which made some noise but ehhhh.

my bad i was reading as i was typing, meant run this town. he has 5 production credits on BP3 tho which is only one less than Kanye

His career was never on the decline tho. This logic would have should apply to every rapper then lmao

nah ive seen this take pushed QUITE a lot by kanye stans early on this site

the exact points too about him carrying him on wtt and giving him swag for MCHG, niggas did NOT respect hov on here.

OP stinks

I’m sure Kanye was beneficial for Jay-Z’s career, but Kanye probably benefited from Jay Z just as much, if not more..

Blueprint is a classic, and standout record in Jay’s discography. But Jay had access to the best producers in the industry at that point. Had he not worked with Kanye, he would have still been able to find just as talented producers to work with

& it's the worst thing he's done.

F*** Jay-Z