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By the River by brian Eno is basically frank ocean’s music now. But where Brian Eno’s true creativity comes in is when he basically pioneered the sound for the internet. He looked into the future and created sounds for what essentially is the future.

OP asked a great question and thread gonna derail because 15 year olds cant discuss s***

So are MBV creatives?

Also OP yeah I think having a big diverse music taste is key.
If you're an rnb artist and only listen to rnb you probably gonna sound like everyone else.Same goes for rap,rock,pop whatever.
If you can incorporate different musical elements from different genres into your lane,you're on the right path.

Another great thread. Most people don't understand that creativity and "originality" are contextual

- BRAVE

MBV did come up in my head when thinking of creatives, but no they’re not. They were a step in The natural evolution of rock. People have been slowly pushing the the use of distortion in rock but no one decided to go all the way and bend the norms of it. They eased into it until people were comfortable with it.

So to answer your question Brian Eno and The velvet underground.

Only thing I can say is I agree that a big music taste or diverse taste should make making good music much easier for somebody.
If you can respect the elements of trap, conscious rap, pop rap, drill, street rap, etc, then you'll be able to combine the best elements of all in songs or projects. And if u add that in with respecting pop, or rock, or r&b, and their elements, it should make it even easier be creative with your music

For example, Bob Marleys music, although reggae, was filled with conscious music and lyrics that was still insanely catchy, melodic, and not too lyrically deep so people lose the message ,especially his hooks. Listening to his music could help an artist bridge mainstream to conscious hip hop in their lyrics or melody.

I dont think u need to be innovative or inventive to be creative tho

Copy 1 person = plagiarism
Copy 1000 people = originality

if anyone has ever played Little Alchemy, making art is basically like that

just mixing s*** together to make new stuff

So to understand my point. Being creative isn’t rehashing ideas and mixing them. It’s taking that idea and changing the course of it through new ideas. Rock and roll was blues rehashed to appeal to the white demographic. Yes it was a little bit more rebellious, louder, and distorted through the years but the same blues idea was still there. It wasn’t until the velvets ditched the blues sound and created punk. Where did the Punk sound come from?

The velvets were heavily based in blues tho I get what you’re saying

I think television was more innovative than them

I think people confuse originality with creativity. It’s literally an act of creativity to remix an idea into a new one

I’ve heard this comment before can you explain what he takes from Brian?

Most definitely. I feel it comes down to just 2 things Knowledge and execution. If you have those 2 elements you can’t go wrong

Great take on Bob Marley. 100% facts

Yea I just started making music and whenever I wanna be conscious but still appealing to mainstream I listen to his music for inspiration

To go back to the movie references: Bumblebee is a transformers version of E.T and ended up being the franchises best reviewed movie by a LONG shot. It took elements from a classic movie and sprinkled transformers on top of it and there you go.

This is the base for frank oceans sound. Eno was a master of ambience.

Endless and Blonde are influenced by Brian Eno

It’s true. Frank himself said it

Andrè 3K : “The best artists take from other fields and make it their own. Get inspiration from other genres. If trap artists only listen to trap music, it’s like incest. You need outside inspiration to create new things.”

i don't consider the truth/untruth of that statement to justify citing 1 song as the base for frank's sound

i agree with @Shoegaze only in the sense that i think some of frank's songs have sounds that are similar to that one. for the most part, i don't agree with that statement because i don't believe most of frank's songs, nor that most of his recent work, resembles that song. n since shoegaze sez that song's the "base" for frank's sound, i'm inclined to just say nah. it's more accurate to say that it could be the base for some of frank's songs. no rzn to reach for such generality in this situation, imo