But what did hip hop start with

Even the lyrics you posted from that song ain’t that good

“Broken glass everywhere
People pissin' on the stairs, you know they just don't care
I can't take the smell, can't take the noise
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkies in the alley with a baseball bat
I tried to get away but I couldn't get far
'Cause a man with a tow truck repossessed my car”

I really wish he would've said some deep s*** in that track smh. Would've been wayyyyy better song overall.

And???

I feel like if that was the case niggas would play the instrumental. Didn’t niggas back then pride themselves on being the nicest on the mic as well?

Hip hop wouldn't have crossed over the way it did if The Message hadn't resonated with so many people. That song's lyrical content got rap in the mainstream press.

Now when you mean lyrical ability, what do you mean exactly? Cause from OP, it sounds like you're arguing that only the vibe of the track matters ( as if substance doesnt).

But was it really nice tho or did it just bump, it might be a different era so we see it in a different light

It’s not that lyrical to me is what I’m basically saying

Obviously there’s lyrics on a song but I’m talking about the overall ability, like you can make a nice song but it doesn’t have to have be the most advanced s***

In today’s age, this is true. However, I don’t think this should be mistaken as “no one cares about lyricism.” Real ones still appreciate bars that make you think

Op title and conclusion are completely different

I wouldn’t say you don’t care about lyrics I’m just saying the overall ability is overstated in today’s era since that’s not what it started with

I think being a lyrical miracle nigga doesn’t matter.

Being able to write catchy lyrics and or lyrics that resonate with the people will always matter

This is basically what i mean

Not that lyrics didn’t matter at all but the lyrical miracle s*** like it has to be a bunch of metaphors etc.

this all changed when rakim chuck d krs kane kool g etc. stepped onto the scene

Who says they can change what the originators started?

That means that’s just a variation

Meaning we both are neither right or wrong

Who do you think the originators are? F***ing sugar hill gang?

Who are the originators enlighten me

Go watch a documentary or read a book. I'm not here to educate you. You're the one trying to assert an argument with 0 knowledge of the history.

Making great albums is all that matters

Looks like you don’t know yourself and are mad because I am right 🤷🏽‍♂️

More like I asked you a question and your answer was to just repeat the question back to me, which means you don't know.

But they don't cal Gil Scott Heron the "god father of Hip-Hop" because he made beats, ya dummy.

Sure there’s rappers that make good music without being super lyrical... but say it doesn’t matter in the genre it literally matters most?

His song sound like poetry so nah imma disagree with this one

Regardless of who started the s*** the s*** just wasn’t this lyrical miracle s*** y’all praise today