Eh I’d say you just wouldn’t have to be a lyrical miracle ass nigga basically

Because he was a poet

Exactly that ain’t hip hop

He was a big inspiration for the start of hip hop. Especially when hip hop is almost considered poetry over wax. The foundations of hip hop isnt just the party scene

You kids are just gonna keep pushing rap towards the dumpster huh?

Okay but me basically just giving an example of where it started from flew over y’all heads, none of these lyrics are mind blowing for the s*** y’all try to praise today

Maybe everyone should just appreciate music for what it is, if he was a poet he definitely wanted niggas to love each other so where’s that at?

So are you saying rap started in the dumpster

I'm confused but are u using rapper's delight as the start of rap ?

And did u want niggas to be rapping like Nas straight out the gate

What’s the start of rap since I’m soooo incorrect; is it King Tim III?

That’s not what I said

I’m saying the original start of hip hop wasn’t lyrical so you don’t need be be lyrical miracle to make good music for the people who think that

In 2020 it’s mostly about the production. Sad! I need both

Aint dem the niggas that started this s*** ??

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DJ kool herc, grandmaster flash, Afrika bambaataa are the actual inventors of hip hop

Sugarhill gang are the last people to cite as the start of rap

And the original start of rap was lyrical, a lot Zulu nations were literally poets using rap as a platform.

Well what you said was “Lyrical ability doesn’t matter in hip hop” which is f***ing asinine.

Rap skill isn’t the #1 key attribute to Hip-Hop, I agree with you there. Kanye’s the goat Hip-Hop artist but I’ll put at least people above him in terms of best rappers. Some people that overly rely on rhyming are sometimes wack I agree.

Hip-Hop started at block parties in the Bronx by DJ Kool Herc. The 4 tenants of Hip-Hop originally were Djing(production), Emceeing(rappin), B-Boying(dancing), and Graffiti(art). Nowadays it’s mostly the production and rapping people think about when it comes to Hip-Hop because s***s changed.

Saying rapping ability isn’t important though is just dumb. It’s not all that matters, but it matters.

too many people think that lyricism is just trying to fit as much multis, punchlines and double/triple/quadruple entendres as possible into a verse. meaningful and poignant lines are just as lyrical if not more than that other s***.

Grandmaster flash first song was in 1982 tho so huh???

Couldn’t find any songs on DJ Kool Herc Idek bout that one

genres definitely change. you can make an argument against lyrical ability being pointless in our time but not by the way you argue your point

OP I dont think ur qualify to be making this thread

Just cause they ain't have a song out before rapper's delight dont mean they ain't come before.

But that’s the think most people try to paint the picture as the rapping lyrical miracle s*** as the main part of hip hop, that was the whole point of this thread.

I’m not saying lyrics don’t matter I’m saying that the vibe that you bring, the content that you bring can override the dumb metaphors and all this other BS. If you got a message you can be good Idc

Is this a @One thread?

The problem is that people think that you are only lyrical if you are rapping about certain topics.
Thats why people werent calling gangster rappers lyrical even though some of them could rhyme with some of the best

whatever nigga u missing the whole point of the thread idc who started the s*** originally lmao

What was the first damn rap song??? Holy Christ man

Carti is my fav rapper rn lmao