ryuH

1mo

Hip-hop heads are some naive mfs man

It takes a village to make great songs always has and always will, most studio sessions are a communal experience

The idea of a rapper sitting in his bed rooms writing raps in his notepad is a hs kid’s imagination

AGoodBoyo

1mo

Unless you have actually tried writing raps, most people just don’t understand how hard it is to come up with stuff that’s meaningful, again and again.

You have your entire life to make those first 2 albums. But after that, you become part of this machine that expects you to put out fresh content every year, year after year. S*** is exhausting and forced.

Collaboration is the only way to unlock some of the inspiration you need to keep up as an artist.

In rap, it’s taboo and I agree to some extent. Especially around sacred names like Jay and Nas.

That being said, what is 6 reference tracks against a hundred songs filled with amazing moments. It doesn’t take away the fact that Nas is an elite lyricist.

Chubby Gambino

1mo

Personally, I can't ever respect it Like another poster in one of those Drake reference tracks said, it's fine if it's singing but rap is a genre where vocal ability doesn't matter much. It's the genre where lyrics matter the most, it's the most competitive genre. I can't believe someone claiming "I'm the best" if they're getting help to the extent some of these rappers are

I'm not saying it's cheating or whatever if they get ideas from someone else. I don't expect rappers to be in complete isolation and close themselves off to the ideas others have. Music is collaborative and creating it almost always requires multiple people. But to take entire verses that someone else wrote and switching it up a little? That's a lil weak Not speaking on the Nas situation, Idk what OP talking about

Chubby Gambino

1mo

Personally, I can't ever respect it Like another poster in one of those Drake reference tracks said, it's fine if it's singing but rap is a genre where vocal ability doesn't matter much. It's the genre where lyrics matter the most, it's the most competitive genre. I can't believe someone claiming "I'm the best" if they're getting help to the extent some of these rappers are

I'm not saying it's cheating or whatever if they get ideas from someone else. I don't expect rappers to be in complete isolation and close themselves off to the ideas others have. Music is collaborative and creating it almost always requires multiple people. But to take entire verses that someone else wrote and switching it up a little? That's a lil weak Not speaking on the Nas situation, Idk what OP talking about

Donebefore

1mo

Makes sense to me that a lot of rappers would gas out lyrically. Especially once they become famous and there aren’t many new experiences/trials in their life which would make for a good song, other than vague allusions to enemies and people trying to harm their career or whatever.

Smacked Voodoo

1mo

Feel like bouncing lines off people and they hit you with a few lines is very regular though. That's just regular collaboration. S***, it's producers who provide some lines to a rapper so they can better ride the beat they made. Wouldn't say that's the same as having somebody writing or rapping a verse for you and then you take what they gave you and hop in the booth

BackOnLocation

1mo

U know what I don’t care I only listen to Live instrumentation now to avoid ghostwriter allegations

The2nDream

1mo

Wait till you find out about the brain behind Beethoven

BackOnLocation

1mo

idk what that is

Ghoma

1mo

Okay for the 20+ years that I've been a hip-hop fan, Nas was held in high regards and I heralded him as one of the GOATs, yes even more than Jay-Z. Seeing him bounce back from pumping out mid-plates to a striking run of incredible albums brought me tears of joy, also thanks to Hit-boy. King's Disease have not only rekindled my love towards Nas, but reignited my interest into modern hip-hop.

Now I knew previously that Jay Electronica may have written for him in the past and personally I didn't give a s*** as the album was trash. Originally have thought it was a reference track if that, maybe some lines here and there with Nasir Jones the GOAT doing most of the heavy lifting. Never did I ever know that he had 6 F***ING REFERENCE tracks cooked up for Nas, but someone actually played them on discord.

In addition to this, finding out that Quintin f***ing Miller possibly contributing to his music f***ed me up the most. Always associated that man writing for Drake IYRTITL and could've just remained behind the scene putting in work for newer rappers. I just don't know how to process all this, felt like I've been manipulated and tricked as a fan. Putting on a front about how he's this #1, real genuine rapper only to have writers in the tuck.

To give you an a***ogy, it's the equivalent of meeting this innocent, cute girl only to find out she's been messing around with your close friends for 4 years. Like a form of facade only to have the ugly truth being dug up by others and tainting the image of them.

Real real f***ed up, and think I'll just need time cope with this.

Himothee

1mo

Where are the 6 Jay Electronica reference tracks? I’m trying to hear them

CutiePieHole

1mo

Awww!

murphybridget837

1mo

Eminem is the last standing. Only this 50 year man could be writing the stuff he does.

MrMudManMood

1mo

@op I missed this, what's the source on Nas having writers??

Aftermathbws_

1mo

They don’t exist. Just chit chat from a drake Stan

CKL TML

1mo

Fueled by Hampton’s tweet, Frank William Miller Junior of Rappers I Know, wrote about his knowledge of Nas and ghostwriting, in a post titled, “Nas Lost (Ghostwriters)”. In the piece, FWMJ, as he’s better known, recounted a phone call with his friend Jay Electronica, who told him that “Queens Get the Money,” which Electronica produced, was also ghostwritten by the then-buzzing cult MC. Then, Hampton tweeted that while FWMJ “only got a phone call,” she “heard reference tapes for like, 6 songs.”

‘Drake stan’

Did you ever do an IQ test?

Aftermathbws_

1mo

Hampton is a drake Stan correct? As if I’d say internet rumours are being fuelled by you

CKL TML

1mo

Frank Miller?