Also.. if you consider a FMVP > MVP you have no credentials to talk about ball.

obviously, nothing i say will change a Harden stan’s mind, it’s not like you’re gonna magically read what i write and be like “wow he’s right, my fav player IS overrated”

but it’s funny that you’re bragging about losing to a team and regular season accolades. you do remember Harden had a 3-2 lead over that team and choked it away right? and i don’t wanna hear about CP3 injury. Heat got no passes for losing Goran and Bam in the Finals, Harden gets no passes, injuries apart of the game.

those are your arguments for why Harden is better, but then have the audacity to tell other people to “get their ball iq up” lmfao oh the irony. your argument for Harden's resume being better than Wade's is that his MORAL VICTORIES are better than Wade's actual victories? LMFAOOOOOOO

and no matter how you slice it, Wade’s 06 Finals is a better playoff performance than anything Harden has ever done. again, it’s a reason Harden led teams sputter in the playoffs, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that he’s a turnstile on D. but go on and keep bragging about choking and blowing away a 3-2 lead “to the best team ever”, mr. 27 straight misses

learn the game

or as you would say, get your ball iq up, stop bragging about moral victories and L's

again, you watched all that ball and understood none of it.

Harden can’t “impact the game in more ways than Wade” when he is literally useless on an entire side of the court, he is a turnstile on D. Wade was an elite defender, Wade impacted both aspects of the game, not just one

and idk who made these rules on regular season MVP being more valuable than FMVP, you can create whatever little rules you want. but if you asked Harden/any player really if they’d rather have trophies or rings, they will tell you rings. so you can be happy that Harden has regular season awards wit no rings but i can guarantee you he’s not, it’s part of why he forced his way to a superteam

also, if you really watched Wade’s whole career you’d know his 09 season was MVP worthy. unfortunate that he didn’t win it, but he was deffo at that level.

“simple fact is Wade/Harden discourse is the ultimate litmus test to see who knows ball and who doesn't” - self. and boy it really is so true, y’all keep tellin on yourselves

learn the game

So Wades “MVP” level season ended with him losing in the first round to a weak #4 seeded hawks. When you learn to differentiate team accolades from player accolades you might get some decent level basketball conversations. Your takes are horrible, all over the thread

I do agree Wade is the superior defender, but offense does not equal defence in the NBA, if you believe that, then your opinion is invalid. Harden is a MUCH better offensive player. Better shooter, distributer, playmaker, and he’s a MUCH better scorer, period.

Last point I wanna add, although Harden was in the much more difficult conference and came off the bench for 3 years, his playoff stats are STILL better than Wades. You put 2019 Harden on the 06 heat and he’s winning that ring. He put up better numbers vs the best team of ALL TIME

worst thread ive ever seen

Harden not even better than tmac, let alone wade

harden is easily the better player

wade top 5 sg too and probaly has a slightly better legacy at this point

but the thing is NBA fans aaaaalways overrate rings... thats just how it is

nby looks at which competition who faced and so on

I mean look at what he doing with the nets now

they not going to like to hear this one!

this whole "he was one game away from beating the warriors" argument is absurd lol

the warriors lost by one game to the cavs, we hold it against them because they choked. OKC lost by one game to the warriors, we hold it against them because they choked.

the rules don't magically change for harden. there is zero excuse for 0-27 on 3s. in general, he tends to underperform when it really starts to matter.

like forget about 2018, his inability to close the 2019 series was what really spoke volumes to me. KD out, CP3 in ... what happened?

Tell me you never watched ball in the 2000s without telling m you never watched ball

the fact that you think harden is better than wade confirms you didnt watch ball in the 00s

I mean it’s a debate, i said Wade has the better legacy as of today. But TMAC? You know that’s the nigga who never passed the first round right?? Like EVER as the number one option. 0-8. Get off this thread lil bro

He never had a team around him, casual. Jesus christ you didnt watch 00s ball.

And no it isnt a debate.

Wade is more clutch, better defender, more efficient offensively, and a two-way player who can lead a team. Harden is a consistent choker who can only score and statpad

“your takes are horrible” - a guy that disregards an entire side of the game

first, Wade was playing 2nd fiddle to Bron during the Big 3 era, so ofc his playoff stats aren't as good as a guy who's been a #1 option. and as far as the 09 Wade season goes, his #2 and #3 options on those teams were Michael Beasley and a 31 year old Jermaine O'neal, ofc he was losing early in the playoffs, what the hell help did he have? i can tell you lied about watching his career, bc Wade singlehandedly dragged a carcass of a team to the playoffs that year

regardless of that, when you learn that certain players are driving forces of team accolades, you’ll have more to contribute. and at the end of the day, this isn't some individual sport like tennis or golf, it's a team game. all those regular season accolades mean nothing when Harden can't help his team win when it matters most. look at a guy like Westbrook, he a walking triple double, for what? he's so inefficient, all those stats, all those triple doubles, it looks nice to box score watchers like you, but he wasn't actually helping his team win.

there’s a reason you need to use hypotheticals to try and make your point: “if Harden was this or that, then this”, yea keep playing that “what if” game to try and equate Harden’s resume to Wade’s . and there’s a reason why all the individual accolades you keep pointing to for Harden are regular season awards. what has he accomplished in the playoffs, 27 straight 3pt misses?

so when you learn the game you can come break bread at the adult table, until then sit down with that Harden stan at the kids table

James Harden has won me two fantasy bball chips he will forever be one of my personal goats

You're the dumbest nigga I've ever seen. Log off and go watch some games.

Nigga really said T Mac. Niggas talking about choking in the playoffs, yet said T Mac without even flinching. I'm done.

i'll make sure to revisit this idiotic "how much defense matters in the nba" take in a few months when BK (and ofc Harden) fails to win the chip (yet again) this year bc they defense is too s***

also, if you spell defense with a c, there's a good chance you're not american. and if that's the case, please, don't talk to me about hoops bc y'all just dont know it like we do, as evidenced by your takes itt.

put me on some game wit soccer but leave the basketball talk for the real hoopers

Like I love tmac one of my favorite players as a kid but harden is better no debate

Hardens had higher peaks than wade but wade was always more complete player than harden

Yes because an MVP award when a championship is on the line means so little while a regular season award is so almighty

The only argument you can make is that a regular season award is for a larger stretch of games but at the end of the day regular season games mean jack s*** lmao