Obviously you don't have an actual argument... which is why you can't substantively respond to anything.

It's not a brag.. it's the context and the context matters.
Yeah he had a 3-2 lead against a superior team... is it choking if you lose to a team no one thought you'd beat? Is it when you're without your 2nd best player and the other team has multiple superstars?

People did mention the Heat injuries, but the Heat were viewed as overachievers.. praised for simply getting where they got because they didn't have anyone on the level of Harden on the team.... all-time great players end up taking the bulk of the blame for losses even when the odds are against them.

The argument for Harden being better is that he does most things on the court better than Wade and he does them more efficiently.... @mvp @diplomats this guy

Harden is a better scorer by far, better 3pt shooter by far, better FT shooter by far, better ball handler, better playmaker by far...

Wade is a better defender yes, here's your ball IQ lesson:

Elite individual offense is more valuable and more impactful than elite individual defense from a perimeter player every time...

In this case with Harden... we're talking all-time great level offense...

Harden on your team elevates them to one of the elite top flight offenses in the league if not the best... Just having Wade doesn't make your teams defense elite and it doesn't make your teams offense as good as Harden's who raises your teams offensive floor and ceiling... The Rockets with Harden in 2018 had the #1 ranked offense in the NBA and that was with Cp3 missing a ton of games.... The Nets with Harden currently have the #1 ranked offense in NBA HISTORY and that's with KD missing a ton of games....

When it comes to the elite offensive players... Wade wasn't "stopping" or shutting down superstar offensive players nightly or really ever at all...

You ever hear the saying? "Great individual offense beats great individual defense?"

Sure he can make it harder on them, but his elite 1v1 perimeter defense does not mean much without strong team defense.

If you look at both ends of the spectrum.. You'll always take a Curry, Kyrie, or Dame.... Over a prime Shane Battier, Marcus Smart, prime Igoudala... every time.

All 3 of those guys are factually much WORSE defenders than those other players are BAD offensive players.... And they're all worse than Harden at his worst.

Harden hasn't been a bad defender in 5+ seasons...
He's been a positive on that end for a while now and is elite in the post where he's defended quite a bit over that time span in a switching scheme.

Harden also has more shots blocked than every guard in the league since 2014 and he led the league in steals just last year as well... To claim he's a zero on that end or even a net negative is an absolute falsehood as the numbers simply don't support.... The only thing you have is memes and clip comps from 6+ years ago that don't tell anywhere close to the reality over the course of a full game or seasons.

Yes defense does help win championships... BUT that is TEAM defense...

Some foolishly think perimeter defense has a similar value or is equal to perimeter offense, when the value difference is closer to 3 or heck maybe even 4 to 1.... The opposite can be said when referring to big men and interior defense.

The center spot is probably the only position where defensive worth is comparable to offense and it very well may be more valuable there.

When it really comes down to it.. Defense especially on the perimeter is very team based(good rotation, recovery, help defense) much more so than offense, where a single elite player could carry an offense. The Jazz have multiple guys in the top quarter of the league in many defensive stats in large part to Gobert(#1 in defensive winshares)

This is not the case though when talking about perimeter offense and perimeter defense.

I hoop, watch ball, and look at stats....

You're a casual that can't process ball beyond dunks and fadeaways... which is why you think TMac > Harden.

No argument... You DOWN BAD dummy.

EXACTLY

Harden got blocked by a 45 year old Plumber in the clutchest moment of his career not my goat

And LeBron scored 8 points in a pivotal Finals game that he lost with a stacked team in 2011.... A series where he was outscored by 4 other players while being checked by Barea and Kidd regularly..... Every great was down bad at multiple points before they won a ship.

lmao... yeah.. they do... helluva lot better than raw FG%. shooting 33% from 3 is equal to shooting 50% from 2. then you need to factor FTs into efficiency. raw FG% doesn’t account for any of that, dummy

Iknow this is troll but kids in 10 years are really gonna look at players like manu or ak-47 as trash foreign players

Not a LeBron fan

Lmao what kind of nerd s*** is this. I never once disregarded ft shooting or 3s. I simply said wade was more efficient. You dont need advanced stats to factor that. Yall some nerds

"at stats"

Harden haters try way too hard to discredit him lol

Ok... name a player... I'll tell you when they were down bad

Smh they’re gonna call the Spurs plumbers

bro you might be too dumb for this talk, no disrespect

I thought he was trolling, but this last post by him screams.... He simply has massively low ball IQ.

Do you not understand how FT shooting and 3pt shooting are a part of your efficiency?

So this means Wade is in fact... nowhere close to Harden in terms of efficiency.

you don't get it both ways. is harden an incredible player for carrying his teams past all-time great ones? ... then he needs to actually do that.

like I said earlier, that's the standard every NBA star is held to - you don't get participation medals and "it was really close!!" trophies.

your argument that he was "far and away the best player" is weak because:
1. being the best player on a team choking its ass off unfortunately means very little
2. he has had numerous underperforming games in the playoffs, enough for me to doubt him even if he has a stellar series or two

Nope he's an incredible player because of his performances, efficiency, durability, and yes carrying teams further than most players in the league with less comparative talent to his competition.... Harden never had the most talented team(nowhere close to that) around him and his talent was often riddled with injuries....

This year may be the exception if KD comes back healthy.

Is it choking if you're overachieving in the first place and were never expected to win the series at the outset by the vast majority or even come close?

That argument isn't weak because it's true... it's literally been done for other players in series they've lost.

Lol. I don’t like conversing with idiots like you. Assuming what I know and believing your opinion is gospel. Thats fools gold. Harden has never been as good as Wade when he won his chip with shaq. Foh.

Nigga YOU just called me a kid and said I don't know anything.

Harden has been better than Wade... At literally every aspect except defense... He's just faced consistently tougher competition with less relative talent in a much superior conference for most of his career.

Tougher comp than the dirk mavs, kg pierce ray allen celtics, kobe pau gasol bynum lakers, duncan ginobli parker spurs??? Lol. You dont know s***.

wade has the chip from 2006 and being a better defender going for him. but once harden wins a chip or two, maybe another MVP, scores 30,000 career points etc. he would have surpassed wade at that point.

if wade had a longer prime it would be a different discussion. but harden is pretty much right on his tail already and harden isn't slowing down yet. i think harden can ball the way hes doing for another 5 years. a championship, another league MVP, scoring titles. etc are all on table during that time span for him

Absolutely tougher competition relative to the talent on his team.... You must lack comprehension.

YOU DON'T KNOW S***.

The KD Warriors are arguably the greatest team oat.

KD warriors leagues better than all of those teams its not even close