imo DAMN was normie-friendly but it was only really good but not great like GKMC and TPAB

I think mr morale is on the level of those first two personally but back to less accessible stuff

GKMC was the last time he caught lightning in a bottle and did Both at the same time (very rare any rapper does it, it’s the mark of a truly great album)

Hm

See my instinct would be to agree but then you get to, why does something become the thing that people who are conformist all flock to

So there’s got to be something that kickstarts the process

The invisible hand of the free market has pink glittery ballerina nails

😅

Yo, This post is an amazing example of the subconscious
This should be put in a museum.
What you're actually saying is that Women are emotional and unable to partake in the "intellectual conversations" that men have. That Women are fickle and emotional and are dumb and "simple"

tldr: You typed a bunch of words and didn't say a god damned thing

six of one, half dozen of another

and its called a straussian reading

straussian reading, I'll remember that

Oh so you were being satirical

Can confirm
Also yeat

You can tell by the discussion on this site who makes art and who doesn’t lol

Women want music to twerk to

yea i was taking the piss with the free market stuff but i do genuinely believe that a third of hip-hop listeners being women (link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-76882-9_5, the data is from spain but I believe it's similar in the United States) does not mean that it's "wrong" that a third of popping rappers aren't women

to the original thesis of this thread: as we can see the most popular rappers are the ones who are slightly on the male side of the bar, meaning that while ofc, hip-hop fans being majority male, men need to listen for an artist to get any traction, female fandom is the independent variable to popularity

but to my main point in this reply: of course female listeners like it when there are female rappers, but their revealed choices are that they still mostly stream men (and this data includes genres that are much less male-dominated on the artistic side)

(love that the editorial playlists push women but the discover playlist algorithm makes people even less likely to listen to women)

of course part of this is that labels are stubborn about signing women BECAUSE they have a preconceived notion that female rappers won't pop off (which is wrong), and its a salutary thing that we've been having more popping female rappers in the last year

but while the "natural" number of popping female rappers that female listeners want to support is higher than the days of only one allowed at one time, i'm pretty confident it's lower than 33% of the rap game, given that what attracts people to hip-hop in the first place is a distinctly testosterone-fueled braggadocio

Never heard Death Grips outside.

Never heard Griselda outside either and those my guys

But yeat and summers are still leagues behind carti lol.

454 out now

Women love it lowkey

i've heard dudes on my block bumping Westside but i live in nyc

sry but I know plenty of female narcissists. I guess this music nerd type thing is also more of a male stereotype due to patriarchy.

Lots of good data here (which I always take with a grain of salt, but find worth mentioning)

Women and men probably listen to music equally, at least when they are in the KTT demo (16-24); men are more likely to subscribe to streaming services, altho the article suggests that's cuz when ppl are young they are more likely to stream free youtube or have their parents pay for spotify or apple music

before age 24, women men describe themselves as equally passionate about music, but after 25 men are more likely to say so (interestingly the same percentage of women in 16-24 and 25-34 said they were passionate about music; the difference comes from zoomer men self-identifying as less passionate than 90s babies, and that's while being in the time of your life where you have the most free time and energy, so maybe we were right about you little rascals)

this admittedly cringe VEVO study attempts to validate my earlier heavy-handed stereotyping by claiming that "talent scouts" who view music as "social currency" to "impress fans" are disproportionately men in that 25-34 age range while "front row fans" are young women whose social relationship to music is collective, not individualistic

the latter category are indeed more passionate about music, altho not by much, suggesting that these are good profiles of the modal male and female "passionate" music fans

of course, i just think female narcissism generally manifests through different mediums/outlets than music fandom

and whatever the source of the stereotype, it is a construct that is actively lived in society

Most female rappers suck and most women aren’t really into rap like that. They just get spoonfed whatever is most popular with men

i disagree

women are less likely to be the music nerd early adopters who break a popping artist (like the people who listened to drake in 2006-08, altho he did have many women listening even then)

but when an artist is at the "drake dropping so far gone" moment of their career, before they have the benefit of an intense label push, they actually do need to resonate with the audience, including women

even if you are a follower with your music taste, it's no fun to be a follower if the thing you're following sounds wack and/or doesn't bang to you

Just get some p**** boys. 98% of the time music ain't gonna have s*** to do with it