link?

You’re arguing something completely unrelated to what I said

Are they mentally stable

Bumping Hounds Of Love by Kate Bush @op will get you p****. things will get better

i do agree that they are "not into rap like that," if like that means generally possessing the quality or quality of hip-hop fandom that men, and KTT users, have

but i disagree that women "just get spoonfed whatever is popular with men in hip-hop" because that implies that female listeners don't have a role in listening to artists during the stage right before the artist becomes popular with men and people in general (in other words, that an artist getting female listeners is part of the process of that artist becoming popular with men)

when you stop living online it’s so much easier to like stuff

easier to like popular music
easier to like popular films and shows

you don’t got the snobs or the f***in nerds crying bout slorp mcglorb not being in star wars you can just enjoy it

i dont need p****, the desire to effortpost on KTT stems from a completely different primal urge

A lot of mental gymnastics going on itt
Either people vibing with your records or not. Its that simple lol

this is a pro-drake thread just to clarify

I have nothing against the post in op. Just reading through some of the comments

They only hear it at the “right stage” because men put em on it first.

You think women were listening to moneybagg yo like they are now when he dropped that collab tape w Youngboy? The answer is no

I do see what ur saying. Obviously women aren’t a monolith so it isn’t a blanket statement. But I do feel like during those “grinding” years for a male artist when they’re relatively unknown, little/no buzz, not really poppin anywhere most of your core fanbase is gonna be men.

Maybe when you get that breakthrough single or bubbling song is when the early comers, start dipping into a more mainstream base (more of which consists of women) so ur fanbase is gonna start to reflect that

He did f*** SZA allegedly

That Cosmopolitan title wtf

yeah i agree with @02Shaq that early adopters during the grind stage are disproportionately men

but there are plenty of artists who get that breakthrough single which allows them to try and transition from grind to shine, and the independent variable as to the success of that transition is if you appeal to that more mainstream (more female) base

and its not guaranteed this will happen

you perhaps saw all those self-indulgent articles recently about how jack harlow was popping cuz black women like him

and i think that's actually true... ofc in the days before he dropped dark knight im sure his fanbase was much more male than it is now, but there are plenty of rappers who are rejected at that right stage

im basically just saying i think saying women are "spoonfed" what's popular with men is unnecessarily harsh; even if you're picking food from a buffet that was laid out by someone else, there's still a measure of independent choice there

It is being spoonfed because you’re not diving deep into the genre. Like lbr about this s*** lol. Most b****es have rap caviar level taste when it comes to rap music

Talking strictly rap btw. This doesn’t apply to pop and r&b and s*** like that

No bad b**** is

True

i dont necessarily disagree

im just saying it's a two-way street to decide what rap caviar tier hip-hop is at any given point in time: rap caviar taste is influenced by the preferences of normie listeners (including "most b****es"), and of course, those preferences are in turn shaped by what ends up being pushed on streaming service playlists or maybe even the radio. not every song they try and push through rap caviar or the radio is going to resonate with rap caviar listeners, and they use the success of the ones that do to decide which tracks they're going to try and push next

(also, let's be real, most people on this forum, even if they listen to more esoteric music as well, are bumping the rap caviar tier pop rap that normies and women also like, including myself, so i'm not pretending like this is some haven of musical superiority)

Bro you’re typing all this s*** for stuff we already know and understand. Like we already know women make up a large portion of casual rap listeners. It’s not a profound take. Y’all really be tailoring y’all tastes towards what u think women will like and treating em like a different species

And I’d rather talk music w a ktt user than a rap caviar type listener any day.

"Things get worse when you remember that misogyny in popular music is often echoed and affirmed in policy. The Texas abortion ban legally empowers people like R. Kelly. Black women are victims of violence twice as often as white women—which is why it was so disturbing to see Kanye sharing a stage with Marilyn Manson during the third listening party for Donda. Also onstage that night? DaBaby, who recently made a series of harmful homophobic comments about AIDS and then doubled down on them when fans got angry. Mind you, Black people accounted for nearly half of new HIV diagnoses in 2018 because racism is a barrier to health equity. Drake, for his part, chose to frame financial abuse of women as a flex (“Imma f*** her friends and send her back to Metro housin’”) in a climate where 25 states just cut unemployment benefits in a pandemic. Drake and Kanye have aligned themselves with institutions that protect their manhood, cis-ness, heterosexuality, and wealth, and they don’t appear to be looking back."

man imagine writing this paragraph

that Metro housin line was indeed hella savage tho, i remember hearing the song for the first time and thinking "Damn, this is a Future-level 'fuck these hoes' verse from Drake"

when did i say anything about tailoring anyone's tastes lol

im just describing how things work, not how they ought to work

the role of women in mainstream rap success may not be a totally unprecedented topic, but i think it's more interesting than another "X flopped" "Did y come and go" "Z fell off" thread, and that im being a little more specific than just saying "women make up a large portion of casual rap listeners"

but in any case, im glad we're on the same page that the game doesn't need more female rappers

I remember back in high school, a girl I knew tweeted about Nas being the GOAT and some dudes were posting responses to her gatekeeping like a mofo, giving her trivia and s*** lol