Put me on game bro

Damn.

But you notice when he was selling a million copies first week and winning wild grammys they labeled usher pop lmao

idobi.com/news/usher-emerges-as-new-king-of-pop-in-2004

While we’re at it let’s talk about black artists making pop songs but only getting put into urban contemporary music/ flat out called rap, or called rnb or some s***

You gonna need OP for that.

R Kelly was called a rap singer in the early ‘90s

Khalid and Normani would have much bigger careers if they weren’t black

Niggas get on here and complain about everything

I hope u get some d*** cause apparently u ride my virtual all day

pop just stands for “popular music”
i thought

like music that has a wide appeal and transcends race / demographics

like people don’t call rock music pop unless a particular rock band has a smash hit then it gets labeled as pop, but it does get labeled pop

so with the usher example, selling millions of records means he’s popular, hence the pop title, i believe

See this is true too but it shows how complicated the subject is. The Industry does have a history of boxing black artists in to "urban" categories so maybe this is where that "Im not a rapper" s*** comes from but I don't know if ktt is ready for that discussion it gets into the systematic racism that some are blind to (some really don't know about it but some ignore it on purpose)

Yea it's borderline pathetic.

Niggas like travis and ye really think they a weird painter or something s*** funny and weird lol but folks eat it up so maybe they onto something

this s*** still got me crying bro

Definitely i agree, but some artist need to stop trying to distant from the genre it’s ok to do multiple genres…but don’t make a song that sound like some 90s jodeci s*** but then cry because people are calling you an R&B artist

it’s the equivalent of “I’m not black I’m Dominican”

it depends on the sales

popular music = pop

so if an artists sells millions, they will be labeled as pop

if they don’t, they will be labeled in their actual genre

pop music encompasses all genres, really, once a particular song becomes a popular hit

It’s like they think MJ is the only black person to make pop music, and even then I feel like they’d take that away from him if they could (false accusations, etc)

Facts

Yeah i know what pop stands for, but don’t call usher pop because he has a good year…but call JT pop even when his music ain’t doing s***

He’s right. Travis be creating the most grandeur persona and hype just to drop tracks like Escape Plan

And Travis stans will force you to believe Utopia will be any good off them mid ass songs

Always goes back to reference point. The stigma attached with rapper makes people run away and self define themselves as something else.

But I will never not see Ye as a rapper because he does so much rap s*** I cant be mad at him calling himself an artist.

He took Waka Flocka to Paris Fashion Week in 2011 to perform there. Bridging the gap since way back. Even him freestyling with Future shows me who Ye is. A Rapper.

i’m not saying there aren’t obvious examples of discrepancies, because there are, but i think with JT is because of his legacy with nsync

like beyoncé albums are all in the pop genre, she has mega hits and was in a successful girl group