You're awful, Aeptia3.

Yupp

Couldn’t agree more

What this mean, is he asking for directions to society or

This foreal. I like the movie but some moments could've been so much better with a tight script

People actually have this on their top 10 lists

Unfortunately, this movie's biggest flaw was trying to have social commentary on classism and mental illness but falling flat on its face with the execution.

I felt some parts were unnecessary and there were a few moments but the writing was great

I do wish it ended sooner though

Last scene would have worked better as an after credits scene imo. Hell even the car ride scene could have been after the credits. If it would have ended on the television zoom out

This was great and it is a perfect example of why DC movies should be standalone films that ambigiously are in the same universe

After the Batman film they're finna do, a Batman v. Joker movie with an ageless joker is the move

It did get kinda confusing when they started tryna do all that extra s*** with Arkham and the abuse and Thomas Wayne and not really clearing that up. I think they shoulda had a flashback that objectively decided that either had Thomas was his father or his mom was just a wacko. Either would have worked in the larger tragedy you feel for Arthur

The irony of this is that this movie worked so well because it wasn't this big popcorn sequel/trilogy builder esque movie. It was just a random good story that hinted at larger themes in the Batman universe

DC Comics or at least just Batman movies (but probably the entire DC Movie Universe since their Cinematic Universe has turned out how it has), should just be a bunch of random stories being told with no direct connection other than both stories taking place in Gotham/Metropolis/Jump City/etc. over the span of some years.

The "sequel" to this needs to be Joker and a young naive Harley f***ing with a hostage unmasked/uncostumed Bruce Wayne for 2 hours or something, not the typical Batman film that's been done 10 times.

Set it in the 90's - early 00's to set it apart from this one; although stylistically I don't even know how you would set something in the 90's/early 2000's lol bc it was so recent.

I think he definitely was and I think the scene were the mother details her being forced to sign some papers was our biggest hint. I’m not sure if the joker is the joker from TDK or not tho

what are some insta film pages

jouqain killing cacs is still fire

good movie.

I honestly don't get how the writing is bad...

Movie was fine and the best DC movie since The Dark Knight.

The dialogue is so unintentionally cringe it hurts. The movie is so by the numbers and generic, but it's got a lot of flashy cinematography, a great main actor, a great score, and a connection to the best superhero/supervillain of all time.

It constantly tells the audience how they should be feeling without naturally progressing you there. It's acting smart while dumbing down every idea/theme it has to its simplest and most obvious form. It's not a bad film, it's just definitely not as great as everyone is saying. The hostility the fans of this film shows to people that disagree with them only emphasizes this.

Getting the steelbook for this tomorrow

Best Buy been f***ing up badly lately on shipping steelbooks to me.

I’ve gotten at least 8 steelbooks shipped to me that all had loose discs and had to return them.

Hope they don’t f*** these up too as I’m sure these will be hard to get post release date

Yeah

I swear Best Buy loves to f*** with me

No loose discs but both my steelbooks are f***in dented in the exact same spot

Man f*** Best Buy

10 steelbooks in the last 2 years that I’ve received damaged

Ain’t gonna pay resale for these damn steelbooks smh

This facts lmao. Joker as a character was never meant to be a figure of rebellion against society/political authority.

He was meant to represent everything wrong with Gotham all in one. Just pure chaos with no regard for anything.

He was meant to be the perfect mirror to Batman.

"We had a really hard time getting that film made, which seems insane today, now seeing how well the movie's done. But we spent a year at Warner Bros. and I saw emails back and forth, literally were they said "does he realise (Phillips) we sell Joker pyjamas at Target...didn't movies come first and pyjamas come second? Are the pyjamas dictating the movie, you can't make your decision based on that."]

"I just didn't subscribe to that, quite frankly bullshit thing that was happening in the media, were they just pick a movie every so often and declare it means something that it doesn't. We had think pieces being written about this movie, were people proudly wrote "I haven't seen the movie, I don't need to see the movie, I'm not gonna see the movie" and then they write two pages about why the movie is bad."

"You know that scene were he's dancing in the bathroom, is scripted as an entirely different scene. And we went in to shoot that scene that day and he's supposed to go, and he gets in, he had done something cataclysmic that day in the movie. And then he goes into this little rundown bathroom in a rundown park, and he washes his makeup off and hide the gun under a thing. And we, me and Joaquin were on the set, and we just like this doesn't really feel like the Arthur we've been filming for four or five weeks. It doesn't seem like Arthur.. what did he see this in a movie..why does he care to get rid of evidence like it's just not him.

So we sat around for forty-five minutes while you know the crews outside..just thinking about other possibilities and I ended up playing him a piece of score from Hildur who is our composer. She had been sending me this beautiful music and I just started playing the score off of my iPhone and he started doing this dance and were just like wait..that's the scene. We called in the operator, we didn't even tell the operator what we're doing, I just said start on his foot, and played it off the phone and that was it."

Rewatched finally and still a classic

Why am I just now realizing his hallucination with zazie beetz character is supposed to mirror how Penny viewed Thomas Wayne's

But that's exactly what the end did no? He realized the only way he was getting attention was through chaos, it made him more confident and he brought out the true colors of Gotham. Society created a madman which means the madman was already in all of Gotham.