same here man. im thinking by end of 2024 ill have a new one built. my current pc was made in 2019 but had some complications building it so i didn't end up with all the parts I really planned and wanted on it.

was just looking at ram and ssds this s*** is so cheap now wtf

I remember when ddr5 32gb was like $500. Now I’m seeing $85 on Amazon 😳

Watch it be a RTX 4060 or RTX 4060 Ti probably

Fiending for another cheap ThinkPad

honestly crazy that's why i was telling everyone to just wait last year

this always happens with the new RAM standards

remember idiots buying DDR5 kits for $1000 on eBay when it was sold out now I see the same ones at Micro Center for $99

used GPU market looks real good also just grabbed an almost new 3090 for $600 gonna sell my 3080 for $450

CPU market also has lots of really good deals, especially if you live near Micro Center

new GPU market still seems pretty expensive though.. 4080 for $1150 is steep

can't wait an 8GB 4060TI for $499 in 2023

the amount of VRAM Nvidia has put on the 40 & 30 series (expect the 4080/4090/3090) is such trash Nvidia really hates its customers 😹

like 8GB was standard in the high end since the GTX 1070 which is from 2016

at least Nvidia making new AIs to make 720p textures look 4k so they never have to give everyone enough VRAM

wccftech.com/nvidia-neural-compression-technique-unlocks-16x-texture-detail

Apparently so is it both a RTX 4060 and RTX 4060 Ti... And if I am not remembering this wrong so does the regular RTX 4060 have 8 GB's of VRAM and the RTX 4060 Ti has 8/16 GB's of VRAM... Right? That's what the leak says or the other ones doing those 2 40 series GPU's from Nvidia.

usually the 60 has the bigger vram

2060 super & 3060ti are 8GB

2060 & 3060 are 12GB & 8GB

yeah rumors are saying Nvidia will put out the 4060ti with 8GB first then a 16GB model a month later

there have been less rumors about the 4060 but maybe a 8GB model when the 16GB 4060ti is coming out, could even be 12GB

which is strange when they're giving the 4070 & 4070ti 12GB which really isn't enough with the consoles having 16GB.. on a lower end card like the 4060 12GB makes sense cause it won't be playing at 4k but the 70 class cards with only 12GB in 2023 is crazy

Nvidia is gonna have 12GB 70 cards but a 16GB 60 card if rumors are true, makes sense Nvidia

I see... So that's how it's done usually by Nvidia gotcha!

Yeah exactly... The VRAM shouldn't be under 16 GB's for sure or well at least 12 GB's. But I hope some stuff will be changed for the better so it's how much a PC gamer needs and not something where the GPU might be cheaper but lacking a lot of needed things like the VRAM for example.

But I guess the 50 series GPU's won't be out this year? So I guess I'll have to wait until some time in 2024 and hope it would be good and a worthy upgrade over what the current 40 series GPU's can do. And man I can't wait until the GPU, RAM etc. prices do go down so a PC that can handle all or most games at the desired FPS/resolution etc. is possible. Other than using it for content creation for example.

So if I would for some reason get a RTX 4060 Ti GPU so would it be for sure the one with 16 GB's of VRAM and not something less than that and the same things goes for the RTX 4070 Ti etc. as it's always a good idea to future proof a PC as much as possible so it can last at least 3-4 years or well nothing less than 2-3 years until it needs to be upgraded or replaced with a PC with only the latest and greatest PC parts or something released the same year that PC will be built

Happy with my 4080, pretty good card.

is there a reason other than hardware damage that my cpu would randomly be heating up a lot more doing the same tasks its always done

maybe that changes but I feel like Nvidia purposely gives the cards under 1k less VRAM so people upgrade more often, they give the perfect amount for the card to last for about 24 months

Nvidia has been on a new schedule with upgrades for a while now, GPUs come out in even years in the fall, imagine the 5090 comes out in September of 2024

RAM, CPUs, Mobos, PSUs all are way down in price compared to the start of last year.. a lot of parts are like 50% less it's just GPUs that are staying very high in price honestly

The 4080 & 4090 are amazing GPUs they're just overpriced

yeah like we've talked about before future proofing costs a bit more I personally avoid future proofing too much but it's better if you keep your computer for years, I personally like to upgrade my GPU every 2 years so buying a 3080 back in 2020 was fine. I never needed the extra 14GB of VRAM the 3090 has so it would have been a waste of money but if I wanted to keep that PC for 4-5 years the 3090 makes more sense.

It depends generation to generation though also cause like the 3080 vs 3090 was 11% faster in most games but the 4080 vs 4090 is 32%

Yeah I guess they're doing this on purpose so that there's a need to upgrade in 2-3 years or some time less if something significantly powerful, faster and can do what's needed in content creation or gaming is needed.

But yeah VRAM these days can't be under 16 GB's... But still isn't enough with how things are right now and how some developers depend on gamers with high VRAM in their GPU's as games launch without been fully optimized and well needs weeks... Even months or even sometimes 1-2 years like with the previous Star Wars game, Cyberpunk 2077, The Last of Us Pt. 1 etc.

Oh yes the 50 series should be very good with what has been leaked about it so far... But I feel like the juicy details about it are still yet to come! And I hope AMD has something exciting to reveal as well as different choices and competition is always good!

Hmm well I don't see myself upgrading my PC or building a new one this often so I'll always future proof my PC as much as possible and save up some money and get something that's worth it... I hope by the time I do this whole PC build thing so is next-gen parts all available and do work without any or well at least a lot of issues like the DDR5 RAM and other next-gen parts like the motherboard for example

@maxx Well several reasons I guess... Check the fans as either is more needed or they're not in the right direction, dust, your CPU needs you re-applying thermal paste to it or sometimes so is the GPU, motherboard or your RAM the issue.

Dust? Hot room?

damn DDR5 still has more latency than DDR4 in the high end

from ChatGPT

You're correct that both memory speed (measured in MHz or MT/s) and latency (measured in clock cycles, i.e., CAS latency) are important for overall performance. In general, higher memory speed increases the maximum potential data transfer rate, while lower latency reduces the delay before a data transfer begins.

Some applications, such as video editing or 3D rendering, can benefit significantly from higher memory bandwidth, as they often involve moving large amounts of data to and from memory. Other applications, such as gaming, often benefit from a balance of both good latency and high bandwidth.

In games, the importance of memory speed and latency can vary quite a bit depending on the specific game and settings. For example, some games may be more sensitive to memory speed, while others may be more affected by latency. CPU-bound games or games that are highly dependent on a single thread often benefit more from lower latency memory.

The DDR5 4800MHz CL36 kit you mentioned does offer a higher data transfer rate compared to your existing DDR4 4200MHz CL17 kit. However, it also has a higher latency. Whether this trade-off is beneficial would depend on the specific games you play and your overall system configuration.

It's worth noting that, in many cases, the difference in gaming performance between different memory kits is relatively small, especially when compared to other factors like the GPU and CPU. Furthermore, as DDR5 technology matures, we can expect to see DDR5 kits with both high speed and low latency, which would offer the best of both worlds.

In conclusion, if you're primarily concerned with gaming performance and your current memory is already quite fast, it may not be worth upgrading to DDR5 right now. However, if you're also doing tasks that benefit from high memory bandwidth, or if you're planning to upgrade other parts of your system that would benefit from DDR5, it could be worth considering. As always, it's a good idea to look at benchmarks and reviews for the specific games and applications you use before making a final decision.

Wait what? Smh I guess I'll then wait for the ones coming in 2024 then :/

higher bandwidth though so you'd definitely get higher FPS just more input latency, only the very fastest DDR4 kits beat DDR5 in latency and yeah in a year or two that won't be the case

a kit like this is even starting to get close and the added FPS would probably more than make up for the latency amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-7800MHz-PC5-62400-Desktop/dp/B0BP7826V8?th=1

like ChatGPT said also the CPU/GPU upgrade alone matters way more than the RAM

Ah I see... But I guess it might still be a good idea to wait until next year at least to both avoid input latency and so that the DDR5 kits do come in something higher than 64 GB's of RAM

wonder how the 4060 ti 16gb compares to the 3060