Illmatic took 8 years to go plat. 2001 a space odyssey lost money when it first came out. Unknown pleasures didn’t even chart when it came out

The logic definitely does remain consistent across different mediums. The only reason you say it doesn’t is because it destroys your entire argument.

Quality =\= sales. Don’t see how any genuine fan Of music/film/games whatever can argue that it Does

Facts however this might be that mysterious s***! I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

I'm sorry did someone mention Nas ?

It's not lying, it's the most obvious interpretation of what you said. The subtext is pretty easy to read here. People were praising Nas and put him in the same category as some other legends (in spite of not having as many mainstream hits which is a garbage measurement for great rappers) and you tried to diminish that by using nonsensical and downright non-factual arguments. Of course you were implying Nas is overrated, just gtfo man.

And that perfect rapper argument is pretty terrible. Nas is a better rapper than BIG in his own lane and vice versa. They were different characters. Nas wasn't that much of a hit-rapper but he still got some here and there, showing that he could do it occasionally. Dude, you said If I Ruled the World wasn't a hit, I'm not gonna argue with you.

I did I’m just saying that I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

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But seriously is this that mysterious s***? I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

Again, ur referring to s*** I'm not. Ur talking about movies. I'm not. In the 90s, rap was still for the most part underground which is why Pac, Big, Snoop, X, Cube, and a few others were very crucial. Illmatic wasn't a mainstream album. I already distinguished between non-street music and street music so idk why you brought up Illmatic. Not to mention Illmatic was widely praised in the black community and was bootlegged which is why the sales were low. There are obviously going to be specific outliers such as illmatic but that's easily one of the most well-known albums of all time and even when it wasn't selling, people talked about it the same way they did other big albums. You cant say the same for mysterious music.

This what I’m saying! Quick question though is this that mysterious s***? I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

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But actually no wait is this that mysterious s***? I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

Yeah but... That still doesn't go against what I'm saying

I agree but is this that mysterious s***? I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

I only mentioned one movie and two albums...

If non street rap music is trash like you’re saying then that means Kanye, Drake, early em, etc, etc are all garbage.

A better way to put this would be saying the music should cater to the black experience in one way or another instead of limiting it to street music.

Edit: also illmatic isn’t an outlier. There are plenty of examples like that

It wasn't funny the first 5 times

People praise tons of rappers. That doesn't make them PERFECT. Is Redman perfect because people praise him as a great? I can name numerous rappers. You clearly don't know the meaning of words or you stretch everything to make ridiculous points that are completely unwarranted. I never said Nas wasn't great. I never said Nas wasn't a GOAT. All I said was he wasn't PERFECT and Biggie was perfect. Every rapper gets criticizes lmao f*** that gotta do with diminishing a rapper? You think tupac never got criticism? Kanye? Drake? Eminem? In fact, the whole irony of this is you actually diminish Drake on a daily basis but get upset at one issue Nas has which is valid.

I was not implying Nas was overrated. You stretched everything because you struggle to read.

Oh now my thread is terrible because it doesn't fit YOUR DEFINITION of what a perfect rapper is

But is that mysterious s*** funny? I listen to albums that people actually play. And you actually hear it. You know, driving your car you hear another car playing it. Go to the barber shop, you hear them playing it. You know, turn the radio on, and you hear them playing it. It's playing everywhere - it's called great music. It's called albums that you actually hear the songs. Not no mysterious s***, and you never hear it.

Man literally ignored a factor to call someone perfect then gets upset I include every aspect of hip-hop. Please gtfo

No rapper is perfect, wtf are you even talking about. There is no rapper who shines at absolutely everything. Stop that f***ing s*** and respect the different lanes.

Did I say non street rap is trash? Please read what I said.

I never said this either. Read my first post fam.

Biggie was perfect at everything. He could do it all. Tell stories, make club hits, technical rhyme schemes, multiple flows, hop on someone else's sht or wave and make solid music, provide content, make music that relates to everyone, have records women enjoy, and most importantly, make a dope album from top to bottom. That's the definition of perfection.

You keep moving the goalposts when you can't respond. Just take the L fam.

“If you don’t sell records and your music isn’t primarily street oriented it’s trash”

Yeah this is an awful comment. There is trash street music that sells and good street music that doesn’t sell as much.

There is trash non street music that sells and there is trash non street music that does sell.

Stop tryna put everything in some box. Just let the music be what it is and judge it on that

Dude's just a trash user

You misread or misunderstood what I said. I clarified it when BRAVE asked me. Read again.

How about yall just realize you're not playing the majority of your mysterious music with other people