you cannot please the Playboi Carti listeners and the Michael Buble listeners simultaneously. It doesn't work in this age. She tried it with reputation and failed. She's as big as a popstar can be in 2024.

those are made up lyrics

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Nobody will ever be MJ or the Beatles ever again. Social media has changed celebrity culture so much, plus streaming is so easily manipulated any number you try to use is irrelevant.

She no doubt has a very large fanbase and target audience but MJ specifically had the entire world as his target audience. Even today he still has that

Taylor mostly appeals to young female listeners MJ and the Beatles appealed to all ages and genders, which is her downfall here

Anything is possible. Kanye could have got there if he didn't have such edgelord tendencies.

Kanye is one of the most influential musicians ever but he not a pop star he doesn't belong in this conversation

maybe she should put out music that the majority of people actually f*** with. most people can’t even name 5 Taylor Swift songs off dome but she’s on MJ’s level?

f*** outta here

tbh

The Beatles and MJ were doing totally different things if you make a mountain of verse chorus verse hits then youre a pop star whether your roots are in rock, r&b, country or rap (like the 4 were discussing)

I used to think this too but it's surprisingly not the case.

The Beatles' catalog is still selling like hotcakes today and many youth are getting exposed to them on Tik Tok or by their parents.

And MJ is still crazy famous even after death. I know literal little kids no older than 7 years old who know who MJ is and recognize that the "hee hee" sound was popularized by him.

I just don't think Kanye ever reached the peak of popstar popularity that Drake is at now or Taylor Swift is currently reaching. And those two nowhere close to MJ so that's why I'm saying Kanye doesn't belong in this conversation cause he a tier or two away

Make music not catered towards liberal white women.

This is the correct answer. Streaming has made it impossible for anyone to ever capture the audience that a MJ or the Beatles had. Even someone like Taylor has never truly felt like a "general" artist like those 2 were. She just has an extremely loyal fanbase that is buying her music and consuming it at an obnoxiously high level. MJ and The Beatles were making music that every person around the world was buying copies of and knew of them. Some random person in Thailand probably knows those artists but may not know who Taylor Swift is.

He didn't but I'm just saying he potentially could've

I think his point is that Kanye could've gotten there if he played the industry game. And there is certainly a case to be made for that especially considering how massive Graduation was. If Kanye kept going for anthemic stuff without offending people, he could've been at that level. I mean even right now, he is the 2nd biggest rapper behind Drake despite everything.

Unfortunately a lot of "critics" are trying to shoehorn her into being a critical darling, this being an obvious benefit for Taylor as part of the ongoing poptimism movement.

Real ones know it's all mid though