that is how I take it. Now I see online its always been a theory. I think she was killed
I think in one of the cuts you see hands with black gloves. And then in another you see her do it herself.
I mean kind of. I think it’s hard because Oppi himself was a paradoxical character / person. So I think yes. And I think no. And I think that’s point.
You’re right, that’s why it’s such an interesting story.
This might be kind of controversial, but I also kinda feel like that one of the reasons he wanted the bomb to be dropped (or at least tested) even though it wasn’t really that necessary is because it was straight up his life’s work and he didn’t want to abandon it just as it was almost finished. Like there was def some ego in the whole decision making, but then again I feel like that would’ve happened w a lot of people. It’s just such a complex situation, without easy answers.
It’s also not being talked about enough that Nolan did such a great job with being very objective. He didn’t sway to hard to what was or is “fact”. He laid it out “as is” and that’s a crazy achievement for a bio pic
You’re right, that’s why it’s such an interesting story.
This might be kind of controversial, but I also kinda feel like that one of the reasons he wanted the bomb to be dropped (or at least tested) even though it wasn’t really that necessary is because it was straight up his life’s work and he didn’t want to abandon it just as it was almost finished. Like there was def some ego in the whole decision making, but then again I feel like that would’ve happened w a lot of people. It’s just such a complex situation, without easy answers.
well yeah they kind of make that clear too. He didn't want it to be a dud. He didn't want it to be useless. He knew once it was successful he would only have so much say in the use of child. But ironically just like the literal child he gave away he says he is a selfish person for a reason.
He knows if its never used at all people will never understand the gravity. He does have a curiosity on if it is a world destroyer. In the moment he thinks it will lead to peace and less of a stockpiling of weapons he is happy. Again loop back to the nobel peace prize discussion. Being on cover of time magazine and s*** he uses his fame to at least go against mass stockpiling of weapons because how many 200k killing weapons can you drop before the quality of life permanently changes
You’re right, that’s why it’s such an interesting story.
This might be kind of controversial, but I also kinda feel like that one of the reasons he wanted the bomb to be dropped (or at least tested) even though it wasn’t really that necessary is because it was straight up his life’s work and he didn’t want to abandon it just as it was almost finished. Like there was def some ego in the whole decision making, but then again I feel like that would’ve happened w a lot of people. It’s just such a complex situation, without easy answers.
There’s a beautiful story in gravity’s rainbow about a Nazi rocket scientist who goes through a very similar situation and Pynchon does a good job not taking sides. He sort of lays it out and gives you the pieces to try and figure out if it was right or wrong or just plain difficult to even come to any conclusion or if there needs to be conclusion. It’s such a hard concept to even grasp.
S*** wasn’t even German either. It was straight gibberish lol. Apparently there was some s*** cut from the scene and they had to add multiple speech tracks together.
Yeah it also didnt sound like proper German either
Wtf
Yo man Benny was good asl too
It f***ing SUCKS that he’s gonna be focused on acting instead of making bangers with the bro but I can’t wait to see him put in that work
It’s also not being talked about enough that Nolan did such a great job with being very objective. He didn’t sway to hard to what was or is “fact”. He laid it out “as is” and that’s a crazy achievement for a bio pic
I am amazed he told a political neutral story without an agenda. 10 years ago he made the villain of Dark Knight Rises Occupy Wall street.
And this might be the first piece of Western media I've seen to portray communists not from a Red Scare perspective. It's refreshing
I am amazed he told a political neutral story without an agenda. 10 years ago he made the villain of Dark Knight Rises Occupy Wall street.
And this might be the first piece of Western media I've seen to portray communists not from a Red Scare perspective. It's refreshing
I must say one thing I didn’t really get from the film was why Oppenheimer is seen as the inventor of the atomic bomb, seems like that 1938 invention was detrimental and it was more the team he commanded that did had the breakthroughs after. It’s not really like he was Einstein coming up with the groundbreaking work sitting and thinking in his room all day and having Eureka moments. Feel like it was more that he got control of the team cus he was the most renowned quantum physicist from his time (because of other discoveries). Maybe there is something I didn’t understand or overlooked in the movie, but it seems like he getting a little too much credit for it.
I must say one thing I didn’t really get from the film was why Oppenheimer is seen as the inventor of the atomic bomb, seems like that 1938 invention was detrimental and it was more the team he commanded that did had the breakthroughs after. It’s not really like he was Einstein coming up with the groundbreaking work sitting and thinking in his room all day and having Eureka moments. Feel like it was more that he got control of the team cus he was the most renowned quantum physicist from his time (because of other discoveries). Maybe there is something I didn’t understand or overlooked in the movie, but it seems like he getting a little too much credit for it.
he mentions getting too much credit for it at a point and acknowledges the work of the team. Like they only show him working on it so much and say he is more politican, town runner and so many other things. He isn't just the bomb guy but gets the credit.
Man seeing those flashes of the atoms and him visualizing the science with the f***ing speakers boomin was probably some of my favorite moments in this movie.
also on the death of jean y'all think she was killed right? Like to get at Oppenheimer but its shown where either possibility happened
I was surprised they mentioned the fact that the suicide note was unfinished and unsigned
I was surprised they mentioned the fact that the suicide note was unfinished and unsigned
Exactly I was like Nolan cooking
I must say one thing I didn’t really get from the film was why Oppenheimer is seen as the inventor of the atomic bomb, seems like that 1938 invention was detrimental and it was more the team he commanded that did had the breakthroughs after. It’s not really like he was Einstein coming up with the groundbreaking work sitting and thinking in his room all day and having Eureka moments. Feel like it was more that he got control of the team cus he was the most renowned quantum physicist from his time (because of other discoveries). Maybe there is something I didn’t understand or overlooked in the movie, but it seems like he getting a little too much credit for it.
He was the project director, had the vision, recruited others, etc. It’s not too different from modern science tbh. If you look into almost all Nobel Prize winners in science today they basically serve as project managers who aren’t in the lab performing detailed calculations.
Plenty of poignancy in the film obviously, but the part when Einstein explains to Oppenheimer how they’ll rehabilitate his image and give him awards, but it won’t be for him, it’ll be for them. Just sad stuff.
I think this is something that happens often in America. A lot of people (both just regular folks and politicians) feel some immense guilt (or just know it was categorically a mistake) with regard to rapacious violence done by our country to others - Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, et cetera. It faces vocal backlash initially but gets papered over with rehabilitations, praise, awards, movies/tv (!) in order to move past it and alleviate any guilt or sense of wrongdoing.
Just brings to mind how Bush is still getting paid to do speeches and Obama does podcasts with Bruce Springsteen even though they’re war criminals who wrought unfathomable violence on civilians in the Middle East.
I think the takeaway of the scene is that America is a psychologically sick country that is, as of yet, unable to healthily confront its sins
Plenty of poignancy in the film obviously, but the part when Einstein explains to Oppenheimer how they’ll rehabilitate his image and give him awards, but it won’t be for him, it’ll be for them. Just sad stuff.
I think this is something that happens often in America. A lot of people (both just regular folks and politicians) feel some immense guilt (or just know it was categorically a mistake) with regard to rapacious violence done by our country to others - Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, et cetera. It faces vocal backlash initially but gets papered over with rehabilitations, praise, awards, movies/tv (!) in order to move past it and alleviate any guilt or sense of wrongdoing.
Just brings to mind how Bush is still getting paid to do speeches and Obama does podcasts with Bruce Springsteen even though they’re war criminals who wrought unfathomable violence on civilians in the Middle East.
I think the takeaway of the scene is that America is a psychologically sick country that is, as of yet, unable to healthily confront its sins
Is that not true for every country and world leader?
Fake 2001 starring gay cowboy
Heat but with Batman and Joker
Sorry you go with what the world tells you to support. It’s why you’re a NE fan, doubt you’re anywhere near Foxboro loser
The world didn’t have to tell me s***
Interstellar is still the greatest cinematic experience I’ve ever had in theatres
I’m sorry you’re too uneducated to realize it’s greatness. Then on top of that you also think Oppenheimer is bad
Stick to marvel and DC