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  • Jan 25
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    Vibe

    That's not what I said, and this is clearly a race thing for you guys

    Not at all. Eminem's in my top 10 and I'm not even that big of a Jay fan. I have Wayne ranked over him.

    I'm just trying to gauge how people are defining "impact" here.

    If it's just popularity and fame, then that makes it easier to define. But, if we're talking influence and trends within the genre itself, I feel the argument can go either way.

  • Jan 25
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    Bobby_96

    Not at all. Eminem's in my top 10 and I'm not even that big of a Jay fan. I have Wayne ranked over him.

    I'm just trying to gauge how people are defining "impact" here.

    If it's just popularity and fame, then that makes it easier to define. But, if we're talking influence and trends within the genre itself, I feel the argument can go either way.

    What trend did Jay Z set?
    What terms did he popularize?
    What movement did he inspire?

  • Jan 25
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    gnarlynasty

    Eminem impacted white peoples outlook on Hip Hop,Jay impacted Hip Hop as a whole.

    THE END

    As a whole would mean the whole wide world right?

  • Jan 25
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    Vibe

    As a whole would mean the whole wide world right?

    When I say whole,I mean culture. Anything thats cool about Hip Hop nowadays,Jay probably had something to do with it. You can say Eminem has a world wide impact with him being a white rapper,but,how has he influenced actual rap culture when it comes to fashion,slang and s*** that was cool.

    You can say Eminem has the wider reach but at the end of the day,who really wants to be Eminem over being Jay-Z?

  • gnarlynasty

    When I say whole,I mean culture. Anything thats cool about Hip Hop nowadays,Jay probably had something to do with it. You can say Eminem has a world wide impact with him being a white rapper,but,how has he influenced actual rap culture when it comes to fashion,slang and s*** that was cool.

    You can say Eminem has the wider reach but at the end of the day,who really wants to be Eminem over being Jay-Z?

    Could you give actual examples of "anything that's cool in hip-hop nowadays"?

  • Jan 25
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    gnarlynasty

    When I say whole,I mean culture. Anything thats cool about Hip Hop nowadays,Jay probably had something to do with it. You can say Eminem has a world wide impact with him being a white rapper,but,how has he influenced actual rap culture when it comes to fashion,slang and s*** that was cool.

    You can say Eminem has the wider reach but at the end of the day,who really wants to be Eminem over being Jay-Z?

    Pharrell was the one that brought fashion to rap at a large scale and Kanye

    Eminem brought stan and renegade as slang lol can't really think of any Jay Z slang

    And alot of lyrical miracle rappers want to be Em lol

    Ironically Pusha T and Drake are probably the biggest rappers that want to be like Jay

    Even Kendrick and Cole are more alike an Eminem type of artist

  • Jan 25
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    mr get dough

    Its Hov but they both are 2 of the most important niggas to ever touch a microphone

    You guys overdue it

    2 most important guys to touch a mic

    Stop sucking d*** as if there arent legends above them in other genres this is unacceptable

  • Jan 25
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    RIP PRINCE

    You guys overdue it

    2 most important guys to touch a mic

    Stop sucking d*** as if there arent legends above them in other genres this is unacceptable

    leave me alone bro u being negative im not in da mood for that

  • Jan 25
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    Shady Ant

    Yeah, but I think 50 said that because another lesser known rapper whose name I foolishly didn’t commit to memory said that Jay was more important to the culture than Em, and some people on twitter started having discussions over it.
    That’s what I think started the whole discussion

    I think it all started from this

  • Jan 25
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    Vibe

    Pharrell was the one that brought fashion to rap at a large scale and Kanye

    Eminem brought stan and renegade as slang lol can't really think of any Jay Z slang

    And alot of lyrical miracle rappers want to be Em lol

    Ironically Pusha T and Drake are probably the biggest rappers that want to be like Jay

    Even Kendrick and Cole are more alike an Eminem type of artist

    Jay was always the epitome of cool throughout the 2000s. Yeah,Pharrell and Ye were the fashion guys but Jay was a fashion guy,mogul and dope rapper,he was all of the above. No one really wanted to be like Em,they just wanted his spot

  • Jan 25
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    Eminem s*** doesn’t hit like Jay’s s***. Eminem don’t have a come and get me. A Million and One Questions, Where I’m From. Well he has his dead wrong verse and some loosies.

  • Jan 25
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    Dorian

    Eminem s*** doesn’t hit like Jay’s s***. Eminem don’t have a come and get me. A Million and One Questions, Where I’m From. Well he has his dead wrong verse and some loosies.

    Do you know what influence means?

  • Jan 25
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    gnarlynasty

    Jay was always the epitome of cool throughout the 2000s. Yeah,Pharrell and Ye were the fashion guys but Jay was a fashion guy,mogul and dope rapper,he was all of the above. No one really wanted to be like Em,they just wanted his spot

    Once the 2010s hit Eminem had that wave of Tyler, The Creator, Earl, Logic etc and in the later 2010s ppl like JuiceWRLD and XXXTENTACION.

    I can't really think of rappers in the 2010s wanting to sound like Jay outside of Drake. And he's probably the biggest one.

  • Jan 25
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    CrippledGod

    Do you know what influence means?

    Oh no I don’t care about that. I’m talking music wise. Sure he is the reason I’ve gotten into rap and I’m aware his influence on rap. I know he made it bigger and brought a different audience and s***. But Eminem is overrated

  • gnarlynasty

    Jay was always the epitome of cool throughout the 2000s. Yeah,Pharrell and Ye were the fashion guys but Jay was a fashion guy,mogul and dope rapper,he was all of the above. No one really wanted to be like Em,they just wanted his spot

    Lol, my guy, stop spinning duck tales to the youngins

    Jay was never a fashion guy, that was P, Dipset and Loso.

    He only recently became the mogul guy, that because was Master P

    All Jay Z has done is find a wave, let people try it out and take the creative risk, then jump on it when it became mainstream. Only time he tried to pioneer something was with Death of Autotune, the art talk and the whole European businessman wave. And we all know how that went.

  • Jan 25
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    Jay was actually getting outshined by DMX, Em and 50 in the late 90s and 2000s which was arguably his peak. He was just able to be more consistent than all of them in the long run

  • Dorian

    Oh no I don’t care about that. I’m talking music wise. Sure he is the reason I’ve gotten into rap and I’m aware his influence on rap. I know he made it bigger and brought a different audience and s***. But Eminem is overrated

    Lol, okay

  • Vibe

    Jay was actually getting outshined by DMX, Em and 50 in the late 90s and 2000s which was arguably his peak. He was just able to be more consistent than all of them in the long run

    We about to get into the "Jay Z never rap hiphop" forbidden scrolls

  • Jan 25
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    Vibe

    Is Jay even known in areas like Israel and Switzerland and s***? Those worldwide areas? Not trolling.

    50 and Em are known on that scale

    are you serious?

    everybody and their dog knows who f***ing jay z is, why would israel not?

  • Jan 25
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    Vibe

    Jay was actually getting outshined by DMX, Em and 50 in the late 90s and 2000s which was arguably his peak. He was just able to be more consistent than all of them in the long run

    they were all huge during that time but jay and em managed to stay somewhat relevant while X and 50s popularity died out in a matter of years

  • Jan 25
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    scumbag

    are you serious?

    everybody and their dog knows who f***ing jay z is, why would israel not?

    More people know who Snoop Dogg is on a large scale lmao

    Jay doesn't really have the same icon appeal as them

  • Jan 25
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    scumbag

    are you serious?

    everybody and their dog knows who f***ing jay z is, why would israel not?

    Lol, Americans (and sub-urbanites) from developed countries are so self-centered.

  • Vibe spittin ITT, by the way

  • Jan 25
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    scumbag

    they were all huge during that time but jay and em managed to stay somewhat relevant while X and 50s popularity died out in a matter of years

    50 was done by 2006-07 and then TI, Wayne and Kanye were running s*** at that point lol

  • Vibe

    More people know who Snoop Dogg is on a large scale lmao

    Jay doesn't really have the same icon appeal as them

    snoop is another one of the most well known for sure yes

    but idk in comparison, where I live these guys are all about equally popular so I’m not too sure about other areas