TITOWORLD

5y

What's an alternative to the scenario you presented?

TITOWORLD

5y

That's another thing. I'm a black man so why would I trust anyone other than black people to distribute "evenly" in a socialist setting.

The Last thing I want is the government regulating that s***. I'd rather be wealthy and distribute to where and to whom I see fit, on my own Accord

BadKarma

5y

I’m not going to support a man that calls my religion opium lmao and I’m not going to argue with you all

Synopsis

5y

Where workers own the means of production and paid based on their productive capabilities, but their livelihood, aka health, housing etc., isn't dependent on their wage.

rano

5y

I consider myself a socialist but mfers online call themselves socialists while praising the CCP and other garbage authoritarian governments so I tend to not mention it in online discussions lol

Synopsis

5y

Because wealth is derived from labor. Therefore, the workers, aka the ones doing the labor, are creating wealth. But, we can see that they don't get fairly compensated for the wealth they create. Just to use an easy example. If a starbucks barista is paid 100$ a day, but they make 100$ of coffee in an hour, the rest of that 700$ (assuming 100$ per hour over an 8 hour day) is pure profit for the owner. Hence, this barista worked for free, her labor went uncompensated. If she was paid fairly, there would be no profit for the capitalist to pocket, reinvest etc.,

This is why you constantly see more and more outsourcing to global south countries, because they can create greater profits that way.

Synopsis

5y

Come back when you don't have to fall back on the human nature argument.

Maartins

5y

Im gonna agree w u and him

I more or less agree with his sentiment but im not gonna try and naturalize it

But the question still stands. I enjoy buying luxury items, i enjoy walking down a beautiful downtown area. Travelling buying clothes etc

Im not rich by any means, ive vacillated between outright poor (like evictions and shut lights) to solid middle class. I’m pretty intelligent and in school atm ik a 6 figure salary is attainable for me taking into account what im studying and my smarts.
That’s a level of money ive never had before..I want to enjoy it and experience things and take care of my family

Does outright socialism allow that?

Maartins

5y

Im gonna agree w u and him

I more or less agree with his sentiment but im not gonna try and naturalize it

But the question still stands. I enjoy buying luxury items, i enjoy walking down a beautiful downtown area. Travelling buying clothes etc

Im not rich by any means, ive vacillated between outright poor (like evictions and shut lights) to solid middle class. I’m pretty intelligent and in school atm ik a 6 figure salary is attainable for me taking into account what im studying and my smarts.
That’s a level of money ive never had before..I want to enjoy it and experience things and take care of my family

Does outright socialism allow that?

NakedBalenciaga

5y

I mean I support this thread but you didn’t make any compelling arguments in op syn

Buckleys Angel

5y

No social mobility in the US? You’re projecting your own shortcomings. You’re still just bitter and cynical because you are a failed blogger that thought you’d make it big that way.

Wage stagnation is a huge problem, but our entire education system is basically a simple and easy track for social mobility. You can literally do the bare minimum and achieve financial stability.

Sand Man

5y

I need to read up on both systems.

I've read the Communist Manifesto and a book Alan Greenspan wrote about capitalism but my knowledge is limited.

Synopsis

5y

you want money to experience things and take care of your family

so you dont actually want the money, you want the latter.

Maartins

5y

No i want a luxurious experience for my family

Synopsis

5y

What does that even mean

Maartins

5y

The kind of lifestyle being upper middle class would afford u in north america

space0cadet

5y

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there is an immense human COST of that luxury you're talking about. that s*** is built upon millions of peoples stolen labour for hundreds of years in the global south and still continues to this day. in socialism, these countries would be freed for their own self determiniation, so of course, the "former imperialist countries" (when the time comes .. e.g. america, britain, france) will never see that amount of luxury again

.. and there is luxury in socialism. luxury and relaxation is a human right. the luxury will just not be built upon economic strangulation and physical violence like how it is now in America.

Maartins

5y

The kind of lifestyle being upper middle class would afford u in north america

space0cadet

5y

there is an immense human COST of that luxury you're talking about. that s*** is built upon millions of peoples stolen labour for hundreds of years in the global south and still continues to this day. in socialism, these countries would be freed for their own self determiniation, so of course, the "former imperialist countries" (when the time comes .. e.g. america, britain, france) will never see that amount of luxury again

.. and there is luxury in socialism. luxury and relaxation is a human right. the luxury will just not be built upon economic strangulation and physical violence like how it is now in America.