ig becuz the government is decentralized and there is no monopoly on legal violence it qualifies as stateless. like a true representative democracy perhaps. tbh i dont know s*** about the iroquois confederacy but it seems to not exactly be like the uk considering all the states under the uk are forced to be under the jurisdiction of the greater uk state.

Whats social security then?

Welfare

Amassing wealth

No I mean what is that? Isn’t that a socialist concept?

scotland northern island wales are allowed to leave. scotland had a referendum and voted to stay.

but i wouldnt call that stateless if they have mini states/principalities inside of it.

I mean sure socialists advocate for it under capitalism as a means of lessening suffering but this idea of "socialist" policies is kinda not a thing

there's a lot of appeasement done by liberal democracies to guarantee the people aren't so upset over their material conditions as to organize and actually redistribute the means of production.

instead of having little concessions to make people okay with being under the boot of capitalism i don't see why people shouldn't instead advocate for true equality instead of half assed compromised inequality

wasn't the whole point of the Irish National Liberation Army and it's conflicts to become independent from the UK ?

admittedly i don't know a whole lot about UK and irish history

part of ireland became independent the other part didnt want to.

but scotland is allowed to leave they had a vote and most people still wanted to stay in uk

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum

are you a socialist? just wondering

"I don't see why people shouldn't instead advocate for true equality instead of half assed compromised inequality"

but they weren't allowed to leave and create a self-determined government and the British government brutalized them right ?

sounds like a state to me

ig so im not necessarily concerned with ideological doctrine.

in general i try to look at the successes and contradictions of the history of any and all nations/governments and try to deduce for myself what seems to be the true way forward to better the lives of as many people as possible in as meaningful of a way as possible to the lives of people.

hbu u american ?

im center right and very anti socialist/communist/anarchist

and im also against ancaps 🤣

what's your reasoning to be opposed to socialism?

and i gotta agree ancaps are a joke

I agree the UK 100% is a state. I just don't believe the iroquois confederacy is an example of being stateless.

ig the distinction is strictly about the legally endorsed monopoly of violence and where that lies.

so id assume for the confederacy the larger group of the 50 tribe leaders don't legally have the power to monopolize violence over the people.

ancaps are a joke for sure as nice as it may sound to do anything u want as long as u follow non agression principal. depending on how u are starting in life u could be living in hell 😭😭 🥴

My main reasons for being against socialism:
1. is its not possible on such a large scale with many other countries in play.

2. only way for it to happen it is violence

3. only way to enforce it is govt/violence (under most peoples ideas of it)

4. no one has the same rules for it especially when it comes to property

yea id also say that the biggest obstruction to socialism in any country is state interference from foreign countries.

there have been largely nonviolent socialist revolutions such as the 1979 Iranian Revolution that overthrew the shah and Pahlavi dynasty and replaced the government with an islamic republic.

the violence came in the aftermath after they started to nationalize industries such as oil and the British government allied with the CIA to stage a violent military coup and installed an authoritarian dictatorship.

it seems like you don't have any issues with most "leftist" positions like increasing welfare rights etc so what makes u identify as center-right?

"it seems like you don't have any issues with most "leftist" positions like increasing welfare rights etc so what makes u identify as center-right?"

only thing i would change in america is having a two tier healthcare system like australia. everything else is fine as is imo.

you don't see an issue with the way things are?

Covid-19, police brutality and white supremacy, climate change, increasing natural disasters and deregulated public safety measures, constant recessions, homelessness epidemic despite a housing surplus, self-imposed food insecurity, declining life expectancy and quality of life, staggering and worsening economic inequality among others and that's just issues caused by the US IN the US.

obviously the US has always had problems, but the US is now the undisputed wealthiest and most powerful country and the material conditions for its citizens get worse by the day.

the idea that the way the US is fine just doesn't sit right with my own internal yearning for justice.

whether you believe the US should actually uphold its own perceived standards of justice, equality and liberty for all or whether you have empathy for and care for both the people of the world at large and/or the people in your life that you love, that centrism isn't the correct position to hold and actively causes misery that we have the means to alleviate.

nothing else i would change about the usa.

declining life expectancy is because we have less regulated food which is good imo. the UK for example restricts sugar content etc. UK is trying to ban free refills 😭😭

if i only live till 77 instead of 81 🤷‍♂️

centrism is not causing misery lmao

u want kids or anything tho?

i can't convince you if you do just care about yourself but i do think the US improving could completely change the entire lives of billions of humans
the potential for devastatingly positive change in a single person's life is incredible and there are so many lives that can be impacted that i don't see how i personally could be complacent

and tbh i dont care about life expectancy as much as quality of life and our food in the US is so s***ty lol

countries like mexico and japan got such incredible delicious and cheap fresh foods while in the us we got trashy ass food that's made like trash and treated like trash.
if u ever worked in food you'd kno what im talking about

yea i would want kids haha.

leftism sounds great to people who dont have anything. but life would suck if there were no luxury goods if everyone had a benz its nothing special anymore. if everyone had the same thing that would be one boring life. 🤷‍♂️