Snowboy

4mo

the "innovation" argument is such a non-sequiter. obviously you could call the socialist system itself a massive innovation in the organization of human beings but even beyond that, who really cares? socialism is at the very least as innovative as capitalism by any metrics and almost certainly moreso when you consider things like artemisinin, which was one of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the 20th century created with minimal material incentive.

rnb sponge

4mo

"MIND YOU I'm an anarchocommunist and so conservatism really is the way forward. Also giving money to venezuela or you're fake socialist"
That's gold right there i swear

PFLP optimisticman

4mo

supposed "leftists: jumping down butch ware's throat for acknowledging the uighyr are an oppressed minority is so hilarious. The level of grace these people will give to modern day china which is essentially a right wing capitalist government as if it were still mao's era? Can they read?

PFLP optimisticman

4mo

supposed "leftists: jumping down butch ware's throat for acknowledging the uighyr are an oppressed minority is so hilarious. The level of grace these people will give to modern day china which is essentially a right wing capitalist government as if it were still mao's era? Can they read?

Snowboy

4mo

its because the "genocide" narrative is obvious racist bs so they deny any ethnic tension exists at all. its possible tho to have a nuanced understanding of what's going on on xinjiang.

nicobarret

4mo

Never met a communist with any real ideas other than

"billionaires are inherently bad let's completely disincentivize innovation and productivity and we'll magically enforce it peacefully without all our entrepreneurs and jobmakers moving to Canada and we'll need centralized authority to do so but it can never corrupt like the 30 past examples because this isn't corruptible trust me I'm not just dreaming of utopia this is real and we'll use a genie to somehow produce an abundance of resources produced from our magically incentivized labor force without ending up like every country that has ever tried it because all those 20+ countries' failures were fake according to other college kids I heard repeat the same thing" -tweeted from iPhone 16 pro and edited from Macbook Pro on an app and 5g that only came to me and everyone I know by incentives to profit in a competitive market structure but like I said all those guys that created them are evil now"

nicobarret

4mo

Not a copypasta I wrote that. All communists under 40 are stupid idealists who think virtually every invention, technology, and franchise that has spread as far as even seeing our food chains in Japan

all of those creators in the past 100 years have come from and lived in America but I can't guess why maybe it's because of our weather

nicobarret

4mo

Bro stop acting like this isn't statistically obvious to you youre just trying to use confirmation bias, Soviets created those "innovations" because of COMPETITION with the UNITED STATES which is literally the EXACT SAME AS A COMPETITIVE MARKET FORCE and ALL OF THOSE WERE MILITARY ARMS RACES from an elite class of subsidized (but still equally threatened to get killed for noncompliance) people working in the "luxury" areas that them and the politicians pocketing everyone's resources lived in while.the rest of the country starved to death. There are 1ST HAND ACCOUNTS you can find of most groceries in the non-politician housing areas were EMPTY WEEKLY but you choose to ignore this.

and they STILL COULDNT COMPETE WITH US WITH ESSENTIALLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF FORCED SLAVE LABOR THREATENED BY DEATH. Again COMPETITION drove it and they even CAPITALISTICALLY sold those resources to other countries. And the Internet was by ARPANET in the US. It is STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT FACT that China and Russia combined, with a greater pool of talent and literally a SLAVE POLULATION WORKING UNDER THREAT, had shortages of food, required full surveilance state and basically require in a "1984" type world to enforce it, still have produced 0.01% of significant creations you and everyone in Africa and everyone in Europe use and they instead benefit from our technology

nicobarret

4mo

Communists be like everyone deserves equal but ironically I have never seen a single one of you so passionate to donate a miniscule $300 of your wage to send to help a family in the currently crumbling communistic state of Venezuela. Their yearly salary is $300 a year you all can feed a family for a whole year where's your sacrifice? Oh yeah it's all utopia talk that Venezuela thought they could do different from googles 20 countries that tried it and all ended in disaster.

There's a reason conservatism is necessary and people get less radical as they age, they realize they're being too idealistic. Conservatism counters that so dumb idealist communists that just came out of college thinking they understand macroeconomics dont run the only beacon of freedom in the world into a s***hole.

By the way I'm actually an anarchocommunist and I can tell you the only way communism WOULD work. it's just I like to annoy communists bc theyre are too stupid to have EVER STATED THIS MECHANISM IN THE HUNDREDS OF DEBATES IVE HAD. Communists are the type that will lead to the country's collapse be instating a stupid ass regime that started out saying everything they want to hear then end up pushing centralized power further and further to enforce it and killing everyone like Mao. Oh waiit apparently that's all fake but even the modern Chinese and Russians don't deny it nor want to go back I wonder why

nicobarret

4mo

Okay give me 1 mechanism you'd instill that would bring communism to magically work different than all its past and current failures and I'll tell you mine and we'll see who the dumbass is. This will be funny. Matter of fact any of you can jump in and answer since youre so smart and liking eachother's projections of moral superiority thinking "everyone should and can magically be equal thats obvious but i cant tell you 1 way how youre so wrong".

Then tell me 1 thing you're ACTUALLY working on to get there and I'll tell you mine

0 ideas of substance between a whole GROUP of people that can only resort to namecalling let's see grabs popcorn

Synopsis2

4mo

top 1 mechanism to make sure communism succeeds

all anarchocommunists to the gulag

Synopsis2

4mo

and a 1984 reference lol nice

rnb sponge

4mo

Project your own idea of online communists to get out frustration while championing american exceptionalism/hegemony and conservatism while also claiming to be an anarchocommunist and asking why we don’t come out of our own personal pockets to help venezuela

Asking for magical communist solutions and saying you’re going to print the whole convo and put it on your wall

This is riddler/ebony prince tier s*** lowkey