Corporate Mór

8mo

Thinking this one through

I don’t refute that opener, and I agree with your thinking. I do think it’s unfair to expect this of artists but doesn’t take away from your logic

My thinking is around the longevity and versatility of rock. How do we know they aren’t doing this

We know Zoe makes music like her father but we can’t necessarily hear the Lenny in her. Willow too

Will come back to this. Cool thread

Oblivion X

8mo

I think its just more complex than that. Like any art made by a black person is black art.

But if we keep using that same logic then it has be apply when white people make rnb. Bobby Caldwell doesnt just suddenly become white music because he made it.

Feel like that logic leads to appropriation

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

After giving her a chance and hearing her live...

Willow just ass fam.

rustcohlestan2

8mo

i get your point but also it depends on who you’re pandering to as well. for example while Beyoncé was making dance music for renaissance she was obviously pandering to the black LGBTQ community, so that makes it black music

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

yall gotta also understand Paramore was like...the biggest widely accepted "ok you can be a nigga and listen to this" rock band in the 2000s.

Like it didn't matter what walk of life you was on as a nigga, EVERYONE knew the lyrics to Aint It Fun.

Versus, you was given weird looks if you was caught listening to a My Chemical Romance. (I'm saying that as someone that was one of those weird look givers lol.)

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

What was wrong with her live performance?

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

@op It's simple really, we f***ed up immensely when we let crackers steal the sauce of Fishbone, Living Colour, Bad Brains, Follow For Now, and Death with no resistance.

These new black artists only can get influence from their adjacent templates (e.g. which in this case is paramore, blink 182, type core)

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

Vocals were ass and it felt like she was desperately trying to give Erykah Badu, but it was coming off like parody more than anything.

Kee

8mo

Thanks for this list tho

Poolboy Q

8mo

Isn’t this like asking a trap rapper to be conscious?

People like what they like. There are artists influenced by funk like Grande Mahogany albeit that’s like the only current guy I know….prob just gotta dig a little bit for more

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

Why the first archetype you bring up is trap rapper?

Kinda proving op point here lol

Poolboy Q

8mo

It’s the easiest rap comparison?

Kee

8mo

I'm dying how Paramore was that, when I was heavy on Fall Out Boy for a long time since I was preteen lmfao

Poolboy Q

8mo

Isn’t this like asking a trap rapper to be conscious?

People like what they like. There are artists influenced by funk like Grande Mahogany albeit that’s like the only current guy I know….prob just gotta dig a little bit for more

rustcohlestan2

8mo

in fairness you can tell even back then hayley grew up in the gospel church inspired by black singers, but yeah fall out boy and Green Day were much bigger lol

Sir Real

8mo

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Here’s a famous trap beat sampling Mandrill’s Children of the Sun

I think if Balis Beats can clearly have a decent knowledge of black rock forerunners, it should be pretty easy for people actually making rock music