Vivek spittin (figuratively) zizek spittin (literally)

Miss that user tbh. Agreed with him on legit nothing but he was willing to have long form debates without being an a****** or resorting to insults or similar. Sxn needs more people like that, currently when people disagree here they basically think the other person is their mortal enemy and resort to snide comments or acting like a d*** as opposed to discussion

Idpol does exist and its a terrible political position. Modern day liberals are more worried about electing people into office based on race/sexual orientation instead of actual policies

@Scratchin_Bandit @krishna_bound Out of curiosity, where do you both get your news from? And do you have any recommendations on resources to get into politics (open to everything)?

Honestly at this point I've become pretty good at detecting the ideological bias in msm so I actually mostly just read them critically, but alternative news sources I use are breakthrough news, mintpressnews, the intercept, grayzone, consortiumnews etc.

I've always really been into politics and always left wing with anti-imperialist and anti-racist sensibilities, but some of these texts and lectures made me embrace Marxism as a way to ground my rather vague views in a coherent theory:

Political theory:

marxists.org/archive/mandel/1967/intromet/index.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour

History:

valleysunderground.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdf

This is of course only an introduction and is what helped shaped my own particular views, maybe you agree maybe you don't, if you have any questions tho hmu for sure

Appreciate this!

This isn’t some conspiracy its what I see with my own two eyes

It's funny cause this "if you sound like one of them" thinking is some of the most far right logic ever lol

LOL

I don't really have any recommendations for news tbh in that regard. It kinda depends what you're looking for, as news w/o biases don't really exist. I kinda don't consume news from one specific source, I just follow a ton of different stuff across the spectrum (like mainstream media, overt politically leaning stuff, and fringe stuff altogether) and then try to keep the biases in mind with the reporting. One issue with trying to find specific sources is also that most sources only cover or come from certain origins; like english speaking media is almost just entirely US & EU centric more generally (not 100% true but generally). You usually need to find more overtly ideologically-leaning stuff if you want in depth news about regions or groups. In reality you can find a lot of news just by existing (dont even need to post necessarily) around political communities, like this sxn, certain subreddits, chan boards, twitter circles, etc. - obviously though take stuff communally reported with a grain of salt too.

idpol isn't inherently bad in a vacuum, something which i did a bad job really conveying in my earlier posts in the thread months ago, which beyond the general confusion and inflammation, I regret not making more clear.

The thing is that idpol shouldn't be a replacement for class or structural politics. Like, an example of where idpol is not a bad thing is basically if you're to think about feminist politics to the extent of women wanting economic resources for motherhood. While there are obviously class issues which underscore that, at that same time it is still a form of politics derivative of identity - that is, the relationship of economic resources to the relative position of mothers (or women in general) in society. Another example of this might be feminist politics organized against s***work or p***ography (both cultural issues underscored by economic exploitation), something which, of course, others can participate in, but that original activists in that sect are participating in again relative to the place of their identity in society.

The problem with idpol all too often is it becomes its own form of political apparatus; instead of being something which underscores organization relative to an issue, it can become the issue in and of itself. Like for example, as you say, wanting elections filled based on ethnicity rather than merit, or ignoring the actual important part of "intersectionality", which is basically just class. Without any discussion of the actual intersection and just the slice of identity, people begin to confuse "representation" or "moral politics" with what is actually just "marketing", and can essentially play into and further enable increasingly non-material detached conflict further and further removed from any form of actual meaningful political struggle or policy.

Like, discussions and cultural-political regulations around "racism" , "sexism", etc. aren't meaningful substitutes for theory or policy - is the issue really that someone can have bad thoughts on black people, or is the issue that someone with bad thoughts on black people own means of production and therefore bring those thoughts into meaningfully oppressive reality?

With that said, let's be frank; not everything is economics - there are times where things are purely cultural, and while there are outside economic incentives, the conflict itself may not be a class one intrinsically otherwise. I generally chalk this up to the above though - in cases like this, I don't think these things are "politics" nor should they be mentioned in the same breathe as such - they're separate sociological issues of which cause conflict within the current political-economic system,

can you for the love god please engage with the discussion having instead of writing one off post about how much better you are than us you literally responded none to the points anyone brought up.

that post was nothing but ideology

No one believes this what the f*** are you talking about
Have you read any of the posts in this thread

Also to say Marxism is in decline is cope, there are peoples wars in the phillipines and india right now. In the US, no idea how you're OTG and not meeting maoists and MLs because they are everywhere where I live

Realest post ITT

aditionally have you read work by the comabhee river collective??? They themselves stated that identity politics cannot be seperated from class. I don't know what you're trying to get at by arguing about this odd strawman. Even members of the group came out and denounced what their theories have become

I’m pretty sure they have everyone blocked so they don’t respond to stuff because they block everyone, but still read their posts, so they post by themselves because they’re still reading posts of who they’ve blocked but can’t respond to them. They do this in every thread I’ve seen them in

You may as well say that this post is endorsed by the democratic party lol

emu posting a random snarky paragraph that relates to absolutely nothing that is being discussed never seen that before

Is ur pfp jarret culver

Frank ntilikina

Just reminded me of this classic: