The reason that it has become "common sense" is the result of a looooot of propaganda

History is all about cause and effect..

This image is false lol,

Roman soldiers didn’t go through harder times during the republic relative to the empire

The empire weren’t good times. Maybe relative to the brief chaos that ensued after its fall in the west, but things kicked back up and life for peasants was actually better in the Middle Ages than in ancient times

Romans during the empire were just as kind, strong, or demented as romans before

The fall of the Roman Empire was due to outside factors acting upon it, not because of decadence. Even if the romans from the principate or even republic had to go through the barbarian invasions and overstretched territory, they probably would have folded too

Now do this with the USSR

America loves the pull yourself up your bootraps logic. It's their most useful form of propoganda for oppression

we’re in a pandemic, why would people willingly go to work? plus theres studies that show this is the opposite

People will romanticize past times like the "mad men era" because their too dumb to realize the same ideologies and problems that exist today existed then too

ehhh..
Gallic invasion and sack of Rome in 390 BC primarily led what Caesar in Gaul and incursion in Britannia. Then, Caesar ensue chaos and political strife in the Roman Republic led to his assassination then the triumvirate which a division within the republic. So.. the Roman Empire flourished and expanded throughout in a way called Pax Romana. Yeah there were good times and decadence from their pagan religion. What’s next? Crisis of the Third Century, civil wars, incompetence of leaders in the Tetrarchy, and Christianity. All of that course of events led Western Rome to crumble by heavy taxes and weakened defenses which it’s “hard times”

You think those people seriously wouldn't want to work again? Or just hate their low pay jobs?

people are still going on vacation trips, out to parties, and hitting the beaches during covid-19. someone on ktt2 made a thread saying excatly that they didnt wanna go back to work after getting the checks.

ktt2.com/not-ready-to-go-back-to-work-after-getting-600-a-week-for-nothing-81470

Not arguing against UBI but some minimal standards should be in place. Like working 40hrs a week, no tax problems, and unemployment record should all be accounted for to receive maximum UBI

390 BC was generations before Caesar was even born. To say those hard timers led to him is kind of a stretch. The strife after Caesars Assisi nation wasn’t much different from that after the strife after the collapse of the first triumvirate

The Roman Empire may have expanded but life was still as s***ty for people as it was like in the republic

I don’t understand the pagan decadence claim. Roman history was full of pagans until when the supposed good times were made. The western empire fell in the late fifth century, and by then Christianity had been the state religion for a century. In fact it was illegal to be a pagan

The collapse was almost entirely due to outside pressure rather than taxes, and given the volume they were dealing with, they couldn’t have over come it at any point in there history. Within a decade or a two a new government was created that carried on with most Roman institutions in place

Yeah it’s a big stretch and takes that time to rebuild and learn from their mistakes before they went all in for Samnites, Etruscans, Carthage, etc etc.

Their religion influenced by Greek mythology that they might be decadent too. In other context films like Caligula and Fellini Satyricon can be almost accurately depict these times.

Lastly, Hunnic expansion is a big factor of these events led to its fall as they’re pillagers for tributes. They also wasted manpower and use outside tribes to use their help to defend off the Huns. Rome didn’t die until 1453 which Eastern part had a lot of invasions like the Bulgars and Seljuks but the reign of Justinian is an exception. Others were in-fightings though.

You realize the point of that extra money was that so people WOULD stay home and NOT spread the virus through unnecessary work right?

How the numbers been looking?

A lot better than if we never did anything at all you porkchop.

porkchop? fam i agree with you that the checks helped slow down the spread...but most people just dont stay home. the checks were meant to keep Americans afloat while out of work, but most of the young people blew it on trips and other stupid purchases and be came the biggest spreader of the virus.

Just because the republic or empire is territorially expanding doesn’t make life better for the common people, mostly just the aristocracy in that they have more tribute money. Caligula was CENTURIES before the fall of Rome he was like the third emperor. The empire didn’t reach its peak until decades after him so even if you’re going by expansion, the “good times” of the early empire didn’t create weak men, if so Trajan wouldn’t exist

Hunnic expansion was due to events in eastern and Central Asia, there’s no way romans could have accounted for all the barbarians they pushed in their direction. Rome in the east is seen as a true continuation of the empire in modern times, but back then, people claimed that Charlemagnes empire was the true successor, extending Rome’s legacy in the west by centuries. The Holy Roman Empire then took up that mantle and claimed the Eastern romans were just greeks who weren’t real romans at all (despite them being Germanic so not really Roman themselves lol)

Idk i guess I just also don't see people not wanting to work as a bad thing. We should all be coasting on part time jobs with universal healthcare but all the profits channeled to the top. Mfers is burnt out of course they're gonna want a break from things lol. Still big stupid and socially irresponsible to travel like that.

if only the world worked together instead of treating everything like a poker game we probably could.

yep...sorry i called u a porkchop btw

Even tho “quality of life” has improved over the last couple hundred years, ppl are more isolated than ever and depression rates r up... I feel like it’s ultimately abt the sense of community and belonging that u feel that uplifts ur quality of life regardless of circumstance

Ppl take for granted how different ppls mindsets r around the world/thru time... I find it so hard to conceptualize how ppl viewed the work/leisure balance in the past when expectations and norms were drastically different than today’s society

we good fam i seen you got passion for stuff like this on different threads. but high key respect for being a real dude and saying sorry

Maybe that’s your opinion but there is way too much sociological evidence to say otherwise. I think you kind of got the context of that picture wrong tho & the delivery of the idea by the pic u have in OP is not that great in itself either

The most succinct hypothesis in regards to the cyclical nature of civilizations & it’s relations to collective consciousness by far is presented by Ibn Khaldun in his prolomgerina (Muqaddimah). If your really interested & open-minded to contest the point of view you have in OP look up his theory of assabiya (social solidarity). Through it he explains the cyclical nature of the transition from tribalism to modernism & he extensively addresses the points you raise in OP. He does so from so many dimensions it’s p much genius tbh. Dude p much paved the way for guys like machavelli & Durkhiem & his sentiment is somewhere along the lines of that pic, just way more sophisticated & persuasive imo.