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  • Apr 19, 2020

    It's actually pretty good imo

  • Apr 19, 2020
    Buryly

    Hate to say it but this is one area where Cole does better than Ye

    LOOOOL stfu kiddo

  • Apr 19, 2020
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    ye wanted it that way, he wanted the wall of sound that a lot of top chart songs had around that time bc that’s the music he was trying to compete with

  • Apr 19, 2020
    stillmids

    can someone point to parts in songs with clipping? ive heard this complaint a lot and kinda hear it but id love to have examples so i fully understand what people are saying when they point this out

    iirc there's a bunch on Monster, especially the hook. It's been declipped on the "unmastered" version but I prefer the original because the EQ sounds better balanced there, kind sucks that those clicks are still present tho.

    I would probably try and get rid of them but I rarely listen to MBDTF and when I do, the poor mastering doesn't get in the way of my enjoyment.

  • Apr 19, 2020

    ya we know
    still listen to the vinyl rip tbh

  • Apr 19, 2020

    I don't remember if it was 808s or MBDTF but Kanye said a remaster was on the way and it never came out.

  • Apr 19, 2020
    hey man relax

    ye wanted it that way, he wanted the wall of sound that a lot of top chart songs had around that time bc that’s the music he was trying to compete with

    Understandable, he took it the more extreme direction tbh

  • Apr 19, 2020
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    Kengi
    !https://youtu.be/Pnnp6zJYzms

    Just leaving this here.

    Why does the guy getting interviewed sound butt hurt as s***.

  • Apr 19, 2020
    Kengi
    !https://youtu.be/Pnnp6zJYzms

    Just leaving this here.

    cant tell if hes being sarcastic the whole time or not

  • Apr 19, 2020
    Kengi
    !https://youtu.be/Pnnp6zJYzms

    Just leaving this here.

    What's the controversy here? That it was done in a bedroom and not by "pros"? I've not listened to the album through headphones so Idk about the mastering but from what I've heard so far I think the production and mixing is very nice, creative and worthy of acclaim.

  • Apr 19, 2020
    Buryly

    Who tf approved this s***? Musically the album is fantastic and top notch no doubt, the mastering holds it back significantly imo. It feels very chaotic listening through my headphones, which my ears bleed from the distortion and piercing noises, I'll probably lose my hearing towards the end. I just wish they remaster the album some point down the road, maybe in for the anniversary this year.

    What a shame, think the only time I'll bump this entire thing is through my laptop speakers tbh

    I actually have this feeling by listening gorgeous

  • Apr 20, 2020
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    All you need to do to prove OP right is listen to that God awful crackling with each piano note on the opening to Runaway. For everyone claiming it’s stylistic to compress the s*** out of your album, listen to that part which is obviously supposed to be a dramatic break from all the maximalism of the rest of the album and ask yourself: why the f*** is it still so loud it sounds like there’s something wrong with my headphones?

  • Apr 20, 2020
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    germy watanabe

    All you need to do to prove OP right is listen to that God awful crackling with each piano note on the opening to Runaway. For everyone claiming it’s stylistic to compress the s*** out of your album, listen to that part which is obviously supposed to be a dramatic break from all the maximalism of the rest of the album and ask yourself: why the f*** is it still so loud it sounds like there’s something wrong with my headphones?

    do you know what compression is lol

  • Apr 20, 2020
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    Squilliam

    do you know what compression is lol

    Yes and that's why there's God awful crackling on the Runaway intro. The compression on the track made the single piano note loud as f*** and there's clipping on the entire track, but it's so damn obvious in the intro because it's just a single instrument.

  • Apr 20, 2020
    Squilliam

    do you know what compression is lol

    I can post pictures of the waveform if it would please you

  • Apr 20, 2020
    germy watanabe

    Yes and that's why there's God awful crackling on the Runaway intro. The compression on the track made the single piano note loud as f*** and there's clipping on the entire track, but it's so damn obvious in the intro because it's just a single instrument.

    So the compression is applied in the whole song uniformly? That sounds like lazy mixing and I’m not sure that’s the case entirely. You could be right but it’s possible that the intro just was EQ’d harshly.

    Either way the team that mixed it said it was intentionally done that way.

  • Apr 21, 2020
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    Wasn't it mastered by Vlado though? The man who's hated by fans from several genres for mastering way too loud

  • Apr 22, 2020
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    PADYBU

    Wasn't it mastered by Vlado though? The man who's hated by fans from several genres for mastering way too loud

    Yea, but tbh some of the albums that Vlado mastered sounded fantastic like C3 and Graduation

  • Apr 22, 2020

    Jesus Christ, this bullshit again

  • Apr 22, 2020
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    aaaaaaaaaa

    its less noticable on vinyl tho

    http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/7289

    Wtf am I looking at lol

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    HOV INNOCENT

    Wtf am I looking at lol

    you can look up any album and it'll tell you how "well" engineered it is in terms of dynamic range. red bad green good

    for reference one of the best engineered albums ever

    dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/83301

    and one of the worst ones

    dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/83434

    and this is mbdtf CD

    dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/162078

  • Apr 22, 2020
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    Buryly

    Yea, but tbh some of the albums that Vlado mastered sounded fantastic like C3 and Graduation

    I wouldn't say they are fantasticly mastered, they could do with more dynamics and air or headroom, they suit the music tho I guess. MBDTF isn't the first high profile album he s*** on, Oasis' What's the story morning glory too

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    aaaaaaaaaa

    you can look up any album and it'll tell you how "well" engineered it is in terms of dynamic range. red bad green good

    for reference one of the best engineered albums ever

    http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/83301

    and one of the worst ones

    http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/83434

    and this is mbdtf CD

    http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/162078

    Letting DR determine wether something is engineered right is like diagnosing a patiant only by their temperature. DR values can be misleading, I'm sure some think the MBDTF vinyl is mastered better than the CD because its DR is higher but it's cut from the same file the CD was pressed with. In that case, vinyl shows better DR because it's not only the music file that's being tested, it's also the needle running over grooves.

    There's been times where I've chosen a CD with a lower DR over a CD with a higher DR. If I had've just went by DR I'd have gone with a CD with less favorable EQ or less optimal tape source.

  • Apr 22, 2020
    SHAQUILLE

    Where’s your audio engineering degree OP

    He should post a sample of his work so we know what good mastering is

  • Apr 22, 2020
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    Buryly

    I thought LR, Grad, and 808’s sounded fine to me

    Late Registration has the best mixing and mastering

    It still sounds really fresh