OPJan 26, 2020
TekiSince you failed to read my points (or just didn't bother to), I'll copy and paste them again:
I think it's a very solid album that aged pretty well However, there are some issues that prevent it from being in the same level as TC and NWTS:
1 - Extreme lack of cohesiveness, Drake tried to put every sound he could on this album, and imo it just didn't work
2 - Failed execution, that reflects itself in the bars I mentioned and other lackluster songs as a whole
3 - The angry vibe of a lot of songs, that comes because mainly of the beef he had with Meek Mill
4 - Length of the album, this album could've been condensed to a much mor concise body of work, it doesn't need to be 20 songs (80 minutes)
These issues, when put together, make me say Views is a solid album, nothing great or excellent thoughI read and responded just now. I made the other post before I had time to even see that.
You have had several hours to respond to my first post and what Unruly has said. So far we the only ones breaking down what you are saying. And you ignoring/failing to respond to what we have been saying.
Jan 26, 2020·2 repliesHe was a angry yute when he was writing views
- OPJan 26, 2020·1 replyCactusJackSentYa
He was a angry yute when he was writing views
The critic that he received got in his head. As I said, in my opening post. As people seems to miss the point of and it instead becoming a Views debate.
Thats why I also said ML and Scorpion has been kind of underwhelming. Because of what happened after Views.
Views is aging really good and people that has been critical of it are backtracking.
Thats why my broader point was that I hope they have approached this new album differently. Which by sounds of it is back to an approach they had with TC, NWTS, IYRTITL, Views etc.
- Jan 26, 2020·edited·2 repliesLa Flame
1. It is more cohesive than ML and Scorpion. It actually flows pretty good.
2. Some of his biggest songs are on the album. It was his biggest commercially successful album to date. He reached another level with this album, becoming the biggest artist in the world. How is that failed execution.
3. "Angry vibes"? What are you even saying. That is diffuse af. Please define this. Because I would say you can argue most rappers and raps can be said to have an "angry" tone to them. This is a bullshit point. Taken from what Drake said in interview that 40 said "you sound angry". Now you running with it. Please point out a song where he rapping and being "angry" on the album.
4. Ah, the length point. "It is too long". That is subjective to each listener. I do argee 14-16 would have been more optimal. But that is a nit-pick type of criticism to make.
1 - It is more cohesive than ML (it is a playlist lol, it's objective is literally to mix the most sounds possible) but not than Scorpion
2 - So what? Quantity and sales don't equal quality, just because it's his biggest song it doesn't mean the execution was great. Following the line of thought of that point, then Old Town Road is the greatest song of all time. And when you mention this point you fail to talk about Pop Style, Childs Play, Grammys, which are not great songs
3 - If the man himself (and his producer, and right hand man in music creation) says he is angry, who am I to say he is not? I think Drake (and 40) knows himself better than you or I ever could.
4 - You agree with me in this point. A concise album is almost always better - Jan 26, 2020CactusJackSentYa
He was a angry yute when he was writing views
This, he said it in numerous interviews and songs
Jan 26, 2020s*** is mid
- Jan 26, 2020Teki· edited
1 - It is more cohesive than ML (it is a playlist lol, it's objective is literally to mix the most sounds possible) but not than Scorpion
2 - So what? Quantity and sales don't equal quality, just because it's his biggest song it doesn't mean the execution was great. Following the line of thought of that point, then Old Town Road is the greatest song of all time. And when you mention this point you fail to talk about Pop Style, Childs Play, Grammys, which are not great songs
3 - If the man himself (and his producer, and right hand man in music creation) says he is angry, who am I to say he is not? I think Drake (and 40) knows himself better than you or I ever could.
4 - You agree with me in this point. A concise album is almost always betterAlso, regarding your first point, even if the album is more concise than ML and Scorpion, that doesn't make it a concise album in itself and those are awful examples since ML is a playlist and Scorpion is a double album
- OPJan 26, 2020·1 replyTeki
1 - It is more cohesive than ML (it is a playlist lol, it's objective is literally to mix the most sounds possible) but not than Scorpion
2 - So what? Quantity and sales don't equal quality, just because it's his biggest song it doesn't mean the execution was great. Following the line of thought of that point, then Old Town Road is the greatest song of all time. And when you mention this point you fail to talk about Pop Style, Childs Play, Grammys, which are not great songs
3 - If the man himself (and his producer, and right hand man in music creation) says he is angry, who am I to say he is not? I think Drake (and 40) knows himself better than you or I ever could.
4 - You agree with me in this point. A concise album is almost always better1. I already responded in other posts to this.
2. I already made this post to point out the quality in it, but here is a copy of it in case you somehow missed it:
"I’d like to highlight the intro.
The great album cuts in U With Me, Feel No Ways, Weston Road Flows, Redemption.
The great R&B joint in Fire & Desire. Some would say that is a top 10 Drake song, which says a lot.
Hits. One Dance, Too Good, Hotline Bling and Controlla.
The title track is underrated when it comes to Drake spitting bars.
Yall nit-pick a line on a song or two to discredit the album."
3. Lets talk about the circumstances which under he says this. He says this in an interview right before ML is about to drop. Just to satisfy people like you and to say "people didnt think my last album was that good, heres why".
You also fail to respond to what I asked you about the "angry vibes" and what mean. What are you saying. Like unruly pointed out. You are not thinking of your own.
4. Cool.
- Jan 26, 2020·1 reply
I don't understand how you're even trying to refute the fact that he was angry on Views: Drake says it himself, but La Flame, a KTT user goes against Drake himself and says he isn't, even when he said multiple times he was indeed bitter and angry. You really have your head so far up your ass its not even funny
- OPJan 26, 2020·editedTeki
I don't understand how you're even trying to refute the fact that he was angry on Views: Drake says it himself, but La Flame, a KTT user goes against Drake himself and says he isn't, even when he said multiple times he was indeed bitter and angry. You really have your head so far up your ass its not even funny
No I asked, what you mean with angry vibes.
Also, wait 5 minutes until I respond to what you are saying. Before posting things like this.
And when you have to resort to personally insult me. Thats where you are losing the argument buddy.
- Jan 26, 2020La Flame
1. I already responded in other posts to this.
2. I already made this post to point out the quality in it, but here is a copy of it in case you somehow missed it:
"I’d like to highlight the intro.
The great album cuts in U With Me, Feel No Ways, Weston Road Flows, Redemption.
The great R&B joint in Fire & Desire. Some would say that is a top 10 Drake song, which says a lot.
Hits. One Dance, Too Good, Hotline Bling and Controlla.
The title track is underrated when it comes to Drake spitting bars.
Yall nit-pick a line on a song or two to discredit the album."
3. Lets talk about the circumstances which under he says this. He says this in an interview right before ML is about to drop. Just to satisfy people like you and to say "people didnt think my last album was that good, heres why".
You also fail to respond to what I asked you about the "angry vibes" and what mean. What are you saying. Like unruly pointed out. You are not thinking of your own.
4. Cool.
Dawg I'm not going to keep arguing with you, I think I've made my point.
If you think that Views is a great album then awesome. I kinda envy you cause believe me, I wanted it to be a great album. I personally think its not - OPJan 26, 2020·1 reply
Cool, nothing to see here. Since you derailed this thread by making it about Views instead of the point of the first post.
It was about the future and this next album, not Views being good or bad.
A lot of people, that didnt say it before, are also starting to say Views was good and is aging really good too.
- Jan 26, 2020·1 replyLa Flame
Cool, nothing to see here. Since you derailed this thread by making it about Views instead of the point of the first post.
It was about the future and this next album, not Views being good or bad.
A lot of people, that didnt say it before, are also starting to say Views was good and is aging really good too.
I never said it was bad, it is a solid album, just not great or good
- OPJan 26, 2020Teki
I never said it was bad, it is a solid album, just not great or good
Yawn, this is only a complete waste of time right now with these responses.
- Jan 26, 2020·1 reply
And if you're truly a Drake fan you know as well as many that, regarding the "circumstances" where he said he was angry, Drake doesn't need to lie on his interviews to create hype. I truly believe that when he talks about his music he's as honest as they get, and that may be one of the reasons he stays on top
- OPJan 26, 2020Teki
And if you're truly a Drake fan you know as well as many that, regarding the "circumstances" where he said he was angry, Drake doesn't need to lie on his interviews to create hype. I truly believe that when he talks about his music he's as honest as they get, and that may be one of the reasons he stays on top
You missing the whole point. I made with that. He has to answer so that people, not only his fans, will be satisfied. They are looking for a shink in the armour. Or for him to "apologize" or make it make sense. When he does that it gives the critics and people like that power. Hence me saying it messed with his head. And the last two projects after Views has been underwhelming and not some of his best work. Even though there are a lot of songs I like. They are not that great projects.
Jan 26, 2020·2 repliesTekiI think it's a very solid album that aged pretty well
However, there are some issues that prevent it from being in the same level as TC and NWTS:
1 - Extreme lack of cohesiveness, Drake tried to put every sound he could on this album, and imo it just didn't work
2 - Failed execution, that reflects itself in the bars I mentioned and other lackluster songs as a whole
3 - The angry vibe of a lot of songs, that comes because mainly of the beef he had with Meek Mill
4 - Length of the album, this album could've been condensed to a much mor concise body of work, it doesn't need to be 20 songs (80 minutes)I didn't say you did. You aren't really saying anything that a bunch of other people haven't said verbatim so I'm talking to you as if I'm talking to a bunch of niggas with the same opinion that they didn't form themselves.
1. An album doesn't need cohesiveness to be great and he puts different sounds on every single album he ever did. Besides there could be cohesion in all types of aspects of a music album from the genres, production and mixing to the lyrical themes and overall mood. It was actually fairly cohesive. This cohesive narrative is just said by a bunch of people who wouldn't even be able to tell you the definition of it or how it can fully pertain to music.
2. Like I said you can only name two instances of bars being bad enough to warrant calling it a "failed execution" and they are the same two that everyone else uses (seeing a theme here). I don't even disagree with you that rap-wise Views was disappointing but Drake ain't just a rapper there are other aspects of Views that make it a good album.
3. Idk what you even talking about with this one. Are artists now allowed to be angry in their music? What are angry vibes anyways? What song exactly gives off angry vibes and why are they bad because of said angry vibes? I think you are just mistaking what he said about Views in the Semtex interview you yourself referenced in another post. If so you do know that Drake never said he put the records where he was sounding angry on Views right...? Either way just another instance of you taking someone else's opinion on something.
4. I think everyone and their mothers can agree with this but this is true for almost every Drake project. Still can't give a detailed unique opinion this s*** though is the problem.
I can name a bunch of little things even the best albums didn't do right. Don't make them any less great though.
- Jan 26, 2020·1 replyUnruly
I didn't say you did. You aren't really saying anything that a bunch of other people haven't said verbatim so I'm talking to you as if I'm talking to a bunch of niggas with the same opinion that they didn't form themselves.
1. An album doesn't need cohesiveness to be great and he puts different sounds on every single album he ever did. Besides there could be cohesion in all types of aspects of a music album from the genres, production and mixing to the lyrical themes and overall mood. It was actually fairly cohesive. This cohesive narrative is just said by a bunch of people who wouldn't even be able to tell you the definition of it or how it can fully pertain to music.
2. Like I said you can only name two instances of bars being bad enough to warrant calling it a "failed execution" and they are the same two that everyone else uses (seeing a theme here). I don't even disagree with you that rap-wise Views was disappointing but Drake ain't just a rapper there are other aspects of Views that make it a good album.
3. Idk what you even talking about with this one. Are artists now allowed to be angry in their music? What are angry vibes anyways? What song exactly gives off angry vibes and why are they bad because of said angry vibes? I think you are just mistaking what he said about Views in the Semtex interview you yourself referenced in another post. If so you do know that Drake never said he put the records where he was sounding angry on Views right...? Either way just another instance of you taking someone else's opinion on something.
4. I think everyone and their mothers can agree with this but this is true for almost every Drake project. Still can't give a detailed unique opinion this s*** though is the problem.
I can name a bunch of little things even the best albums didn't do right. Don't make them any less great though.
im not even going to read this, tired of arguing about an album that's not even worth it
- Jan 26, 2020·2 repliesTeki
im not even going to read this, tired of arguing about an album that's not even worth it
Yeah I know too much critical thinking for you
- OPJan 26, 2020Unruly
I didn't say you did. You aren't really saying anything that a bunch of other people haven't said verbatim so I'm talking to you as if I'm talking to a bunch of niggas with the same opinion that they didn't form themselves.
1. An album doesn't need cohesiveness to be great and he puts different sounds on every single album he ever did. Besides there could be cohesion in all types of aspects of a music album from the genres, production and mixing to the lyrical themes and overall mood. It was actually fairly cohesive. This cohesive narrative is just said by a bunch of people who wouldn't even be able to tell you the definition of it or how it can fully pertain to music.
2. Like I said you can only name two instances of bars being bad enough to warrant calling it a "failed execution" and they are the same two that everyone else uses (seeing a theme here). I don't even disagree with you that rap-wise Views was disappointing but Drake ain't just a rapper there are other aspects of Views that make it a good album.
3. Idk what you even talking about with this one. Are artists now allowed to be angry in their music? What are angry vibes anyways? What song exactly gives off angry vibes and why are they bad because of said angry vibes? I think you are just mistaking what he said about Views in the Semtex interview you yourself referenced in another post. If so you do know that Drake never said he put the records where he was sounding angry on Views right...? Either way just another instance of you taking someone else's opinion on something.
4. I think everyone and their mothers can agree with this but this is true for almost every Drake project. Still can't give a detailed unique opinion this s*** though is the problem.
I can name a bunch of little things even the best albums didn't do right. Don't make them any less great though.
Great post.
- OPJan 26, 2020Unruly
Yeah I know too much critical thinking for you
Jan 26, 2020See most of the mid bars on views was excusable but 'TBE/The Best Ever' and 'I get green like Earth Day' took me out
You're right, Views as a whole is a great album but its hard not to ignore the big sean tier rapping especially on the title track
- Jan 26, 2020·1 replyUnruly
Yeah I know too much critical thinking for you
yeah, i hit my peak sorry
- Jan 26, 2020Teki
yeah, i hit my peak sorry
No problem bro
Jan 26, 2020It's weird seeing people be so nitpicky about the bars. Because the line btw good/corny is kinda blurred.
The chainning tatum line was God Awful. IMO.
But "Green like earth day" & "Toyin with it like happy meal" aren't bad enough to be notable. especially to say it takes you out of the album.
Like if I say I was down with TPAB 'til Kendrick said "Democrips and Rebloodicans", that's a trash bar IMO.