I mean everything changes. Ppl could argue that s*** in the 00s was worse than the 90s and it was ppl in the 90s that didnt even think rap was good at all
it isn’t really about whether or not it’s “good” to me personally, ‘cause i f*** with Ken Carson and some of the other rage music niggas or whatever, it’s more the way the music is treated and perceived for me more than anything else
i personally don’t understand why something like say DS2 is treated as a hip-hop classic in the same breath as a GKMC or a Ready To Die even if i can acknowledge it’s a very well produced, strong hip-hop album
feel like the music is way too different just in general to be treated in one homogenous group where we draw comparisons lowkey
he talking about them niggas like they’re Wu-Tang or some s***
and even referring back to the thread topic, Carti has given Rocky flowers in interviews so idk what he’s talking about
nigga literally said Rocky was like a father figure
exactly lmao then once niggas called him out he changed it to peers for whatever, which his only examples is niggas carti had business with so theres a clear correlation there
and as i said before, carti and travis was literally the only niggas after the kendrick, drake n cole class that were bigging up older rap and actually knew history when everyone else was s***ting on it "as rockstars" - so hes wrong again and they have feats with older niggas too, which carti doesnt really do anymore but travis still does to this dayhes always on a random old nigga new album
and the thing is, i dont even care for carti like that LMAO
it seems like you’re identifying these two as causes of what you’re describing instead of just symptoms.
also carti was kinda responsible for the last great hip hop moment before the beef so i’m good with him tbh
2 rappers who don't care about hip hop. Only thing they care about is the bag. I'd like to blame the consumers instead but I get ur point. It's insane how protected Carti is when it comes to criticism
I would say they both care about hiphop, they just don’t care about the original qualities of what made hiphop what it is, at least Carti. Travis at least has elements of traditional rap throughout a lot of his music
what do these 2 have in common besides that you've lumped them together to make another "rap bad now" post
this too
yorkie is a racist that doesn’t like rap music but that particular post is correct to an extent
it isn’t easy to contort and bend your voice in a pleasing fashion like Carti and ‘em do it at all
with that being said:
wiped my response cause i think @browser put it way better than how i could say it^^
It’s rly crazy cuz why r u a rap fan n then pretending that Carti n thug are doing the MC s*** of the greats
Makes me sound like I agree w OP but it’s an aside
A lot of the actual traditions of hiphop are dying and tbh i wouldnt blame any 2 artists in specific, s*** just changes over time, it feels a lot faster too with the internet
it isn’t really about whether or not it’s “good” to me personally, ‘cause i f*** with Ken Carson and some of the other rage music niggas or whatever, it’s more the way the music is treated and perceived for me more than anything else
i personally don’t understand why something like say DS2 is treated as a hip-hop classic in the same breath as a GKMC or a Ready To Die even if i can acknowledge it’s a very well produced, strong hip-hop album
feel like the music is way too different just in general to be treated in one homogenous group where we draw comparisons lowkey
taking a page from rock criticism would be helpful.
like they’re all classes but they’re context is take. into consideration more
i mean if u make music u know it takes skill and creativity to do the type of vocal inflections that carti does on WLR
Man that album is wack. That’s literally white kid music
I would say they both care about hiphop, they just don’t care about the original qualities of what made hiphop what it is, at least Carti. Travis at least has elements of traditional rap throughout a lot of his music
you could even say
carti and trav making their own style is actually more hiphop in spirit than the people copying them endlessly and/or copying a gentrifcation of the 90s
but regardless, they both always gave theor respect and gave work back
A lot of the actual traditions of hiphop are dying and tbh i wouldnt blame any 2 artists in specific, s*** just changes over time, it feels a lot faster too with the internet
That may be it. But there has been such a significant drop.
Even artist like Future and Thug you can still trace hip hop roots in they s***.
Despite how far and out the box they take it.
Carti & Trav s*** is something else completely
A lot of the actual traditions of hiphop are dying and tbh i wouldnt blame any 2 artists in specific, s*** just changes over time, it feels a lot faster too with the internet
raps last "true" year was 2018 imo
Nah there are two other people who deserve the blame
They’re legends still but their influence has inspired a lot of ass
Thug and Future
Future & Thug
Travis and Carti are basically just derivatives of those two tbh
That may be it. But there has been such a significant drop.
Even artist like Future and Thug you can still trace hip hop roots in they s***.
Despite how far and out the box they take it.
Carti & Trav s*** is something else completely
Yea you arent wrong tho, travis and carti are some of the biggest on that side of rap thats doing away with the traditions, but future is from the dungeon in atlanta, he was around a lot of actual OGs, thats why hes my goat, he knows the rules and how to break them properly
raps last "true" year was 2018 imo
i like how comics did it at first where they had ages, and they weren’t viewed as better or worse than the other ones. just different contexts and different motivations
like directly comparing tpab and whole lotta red gets us nowhere it’s more about how successful they are at executing the sounds/ideas/aesthetics that the songs are trying to convey
Yea you arent wrong tho, travis and carti are some of the biggest on that side of rap thats doing away with the traditions, but future is from the dungeon in atlanta, he was around a lot of actual OGs, thats why hes my goat, he knows the rules and how to break them properly
Yup
Wayne Thug Future you can all tell genuinely have a love and appreciation for Hip Hop and Rap.
Even tho these guys are the Genesis of the shift.
you could even say
carti and trav making their own style is actually more hiphop in spirit than the people copying them endlessly and/or copying a gentrifcation of the 90s
but regardless, they both always gave theor respect and gave work back
But we still do have to admit that they have contributed to the lack of care for literacy in their form of rap aside from making a vibe and a few catchy lyrics sound good
Travis and Carti are basically just derivatives of those two tbh
Absolutely
That’s their good influence imo
i disagree. they the main niggas in the mainstream actually pushing the genre creatively
Feel the issue here is y'all value just pushing it and not the direction it's being pushed.
I don't think the direction they've pushed the genre is really a good one at all
That may be it. But there has been such a significant drop.
Even artist like Future and Thug you can still trace hip hop roots in they s***.
Despite how far and out the box they take it.
Carti & Trav s*** is something else completely
in the 80s people were upset that rock was loosing all of its blues influence but all those changes ended up giving us s*** like nirvana, so i think ultimately change is a good thing even with pain points