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bra cause y’all treat it that way wtf

there was a whole nigga on here saying Travis and Carti were better songwriters than Eminem

that being said i don’t think of em the same way at all, i just do think there needs to be more effort in distinguishing these types of hip-hop anyways

but we don’t have a choice really, the conversation goes where it goes. you can’t just say wait i wish we would’ve done x when you brought up point A

i think rap needs to be more accepting of sub genres

its one thing rap has never been good with - from ny hating on west n especially south - to people hating on autotune vocals - to be hating on the " "mumble" " flow of migos, thug and future and so on

trap and gfunk are the only ever accepted side tags recognized by most (and boom bap in retrospective)

The only thing Travis is lacking is lyrics but he’s far better than Carti music wise

Most people could make a Carti song with enough practice, but do you know how much skill it takes to do that and still make something with storytelling like east 1999?

this is its own discussion

better songwriters? me personally yes

better mc? em probably has it

There are rappers and legends before them that have had a worse impact on rap than these two lol

Carti and Travis don't make hip hop. They are rappers but they don't make hip hop. Kinda like Kelly Clarkson is a singer but she doesn't make Rock or Bluegrass.

We need more people to recognize rap as an instrument/delivery

Whatever genre of rap music they make they have only made better

i agree with this, yeah i just think they’re too lumped together to really have great discussion

cause directly comparing two artists that have completely different motivations for their work doesn’t do anything for anyone

I think quite the opposite

They make hiphop but they ain’t making rap

All I said was I think the guys who like the music value pushing things rather than where it's being pushed.

I don't see how you got the response you just gave out of that

but it’s just the same amounts of skill and creativity in different directions

it doesn’t make one better than the other

Rap is a delivery just like singing or screaming. They definitely rap.

Yeah which is a big problem is rap is over run with non rappers with fans who get really angry if you say they aren't rappers.

You might got it flipped. They make vibe type rap.

ig it depends on how we define songwriting cause that’s a hard disagree for me

prime Eminem had a rtarded pen

there wasn’t a single thing he could not do bro

Flow is delivery

What is Hip Hop then

Rap is a vocal delivery technique that you can add flow on top of.

i’m not saying he’s not a great rapper or doesn’t have the pen, i’m just saying i personally prefer the songs on cartis projects than i do ems

but like i said directly comparing two artists
like this just isn’t helpful

Never said that, I was just speaking on how it’s regressed. A lot of what Carti does is perfected in the post. It’s why what they were doing back in the day is impressive cause they were doing way more with less in multiple genres

just because their style or approach is different doesnt mean they dont have respect.

no what f***ed it up is niggas thinking not writing is acceptable for the average artist.

but travis still has a lot of core elements if you want ot be technical, hes still rapping, he still using "rap beats", the structure and so on - but that doesnt mean you have to like it, but just because you dont like it doesnt mean its disrespect.

same with carti outside of wlr.

what isnt rap is the s*** nowadays where dudes literally arent rapping their slurry singing like a lot of the ish melz posts about in the last two years - that is not rap at all, in a very literal sense.

the current underground is filled either with ish melz posts (using him as a general example cuz i dont remember the artists by name) or with huge throwbacks to 90s.

one side is not even rapping anymore and the other side isnt innovating anymore. and that leads into the further convo of rap losing its grip and becoming stagnant.

True but the 90s & 2000s (even early 2010s) still had timeless records that you can listen too at any age

Carti’s music is gonna age horribly once my gen gets older