so what going on from what i read there is, there's a value system, no? one that says "things have to get done" has worth, that says that things getting done is a good thing. right?

the problem with that is that it highlights that there exist a possible opposite. that if we wanted to, really, we could all do nothing. that that is also a choice.

it states that "things have to get done" and "things don't have to get done" both exist as options, neither of which have any inherent value first and foremost.

and that then, we're the ones who get to decide that one option has value and the other doesn't, or that neither have value.

i mean i don't think those specifically are necessarily unanswerable questions within the framework of the theory of evolution (your interlocutors were probably just midwits)

but even if we went in circles for a while, my mentality at this juncture is that rationality necessarily accepts that questions which cannot be answered are assumed to be open

so if rationality, or empiricism, or whatever you want to call it, has been ontologically unable to give an answer to an open question, we must assume that there at least exists the possibility of a way of knowing (to copy cringe academia terms) which exists outside of the ambit of rationalism

this speaks to the notion of a world outside our world that you referenced earlier

If we all did nothing then we would have to survive off of hunting for food. A lot of people would die off due to their lack in that particular field

Does that mean modern society has artificially increased the life span of humans

And we are living on fake time

lol

if we're using value systems then we are giving the "bad" thing weight by default because we're recognizing it as a valid option.

"we have to survive" and "we don't have to survive" are both possibilities. we have the choice to do either.

value systems are all consistently saying "we have a choice". or you have a choice. or i have a choice. we have a choice.

*and the opposite is true lol.

yeah there's "answers" for the questions i levied for sure, but they are lacking, they're plausible enough for people who want to accept physicalist models of reality, but it seems like at least in more philosophically educated circles (v the midwits u mentioned earlier lol) that it's borderline universally acknowledged that scientific realism and co have a lot of inextricable problems in their worldview

renown scientific materialist Daniel Dennett even went as far to rejecting experience itself in an attempt to preserve the materialist thesis

*The philosopher best known for the idea that consciousness is really just an illusion is Daniel Dennett. Here’s one image, to unpack his idea:

What we think of as our consciousness is actually our brains pulling a number of tricks to conjure up the world as we experience it. But in reality, it’s all smoke, mirrors, and rapidly firing neurons…

Our brains, pulling such tricks, are robots:

But it goes even further than that: if our brains are robots, then our neurons are smaller robots, which are in turn made up of even smaller robots. So even if we lose the concept of consciousness along the way, we’re still pretty incredible “machines.*

mindmatters.ai/2019/01/has-science-shown-that-consciousness-is-only-an-illusion

and as you said, there must be a way outside of the hard science spectrum to find answers, in my opinion this is where philosophy, spirituality and religion come into the forefront (albeit, i personally dont think consciousness is something that can ever be known - mysterianism, as an advaitin i take consciousness as the self, and you can't know the self because you are the self) but this sort of scientismic/hard science pedestalization is very commonplace with anyone you care to discuss this with, which lends itself to threads like these to an extent, and a lot of frustration and bitterness on my end breaking this down each and every single f***ing time

once you finish the game you're gonna look at yourself like this for sayin that you need to finish that game dawg

s*** nigga only people i know who need a point on hard d****

F*** IT WE BALL

doubtful.. there's no way i can go back to believing in God.

there is no 'getting over it' because there isnt a real answer to his question

its just that eventually enough time passes such that it doesnt sting as much + you fabricate some kind of purpose to cope with it

this is not good bro... without the existence of God the entire world bends towards injustice.

yes you can still like playing video games... or whatever... but thats basically it. otherwise, we all live our lives, some people get given good cards, other people get screwed over badly, but nothing about this will matter anyway. there is no future justice, there is no standard to say this world is bad with... nothing.

Lol no one said anything about god

Sure lol

scrolling through your threads you seem like a pretty good example of the latter lol

no shame in that, im the same way too

but lets not make it any deeper than it is yfm

@ye look what you've done

who said i don't wanna do anything?

lol how convenient for you and your life view that OP's experience of reality is an "awkward phase in his life where he has to search for meaning".

*how convenient lol

You don't need God to be moral
And the world is injust and yeah, life sucks in general, yeah. That's how it's always been and always will be
But the good moments in between those that suck make it worth it tbh

Why y’all even engage with this clown @Synopsis lol. They act like they’re holier than thou and has all the answers to life’s question. Always condescending in their approach and probably would act differently in person.

With them you either haven’t read as much a they have, you aren’t at the point in life to understand as much as they do or you’re plain just more evil than they are.

i will gladly die and can't f***ing wait but i dont think it's pointless to do anything good just because of that. maybe its the least you can do with whatever time you have, as much as you want it to end

Be happy you arent like that and live your life dude

for everything to be said about this topic it comes down to one thing; you either worship life or you worship death

all your questions, what you should or shouldnt do, what you oppose, it doesnt have anything to do with your personal taste or your identity or any of that, it has to do w whether you worship the devious insectoid philosophy of machines and demons or if you worship life and freedom

Damn you're big f***ing mad

Very interesting way of looking at this. @op

Never heard someone broke it down like this to simply worshiping death vs worshipping life.

Even though I reject the notion that one is somehow more mythical or mystical than the other, which is how you made it seem in the last two lines of the last sentence.