This why we need faith
There’s plenty of people who lack faith and DONT think like this
What's the point of trying to get p**** if you're gonna die I mean you still try to get p**** right I mean what's the point of that
Reproduction and evolution be like
yeah, mindless processes producing... life
no different than God-of-the-gaps reasoning
U gonna have to explain this one big bro
U gonna have to explain this one big bro
well i have been going through a lot of primarily physicalist-ic and materialistic explanations as to what exactly makes life form and as far as ive been able to read, there really doesn't seem to be a concrete hard-lined answer that doesn't have some sort of holes in it
i dont believe that a series of chance "fluctuations" and happenstance advantageous laws and rules of our existence is holistically a "cosmic accident" and we're here as a "fluke" - i always found it fascinating how atheists are willing to accept the infinitesimial chances of a universe + a planet being able to just happen to harbor life, but the idea of a God to rectify the explanation (ala Principle of Sufficient Reason) is the line where they draw it, it genuinely makes no sense to me
for things like the origins of the universe, they will even draw up cope hypotheticals such as an eternal universe (although potentiality has to be actualized and they claim that the universe arose out of a vacuum.. you have to account for the vacuum...) or of course the classical simulation theory (and don't even get me f***ing started on that s*** lol)
this isn't also to rule out that we could be a cosmic fluke, this doesn't rule out the existence of God regardless
There’s plenty of people who lack faith and DONT think like this
ye but they're mostly coping
Funny how people would consider us being here a cosmic accident but then turn around and question if a god might exist. Both would be definition of damn near miracles.
Both seem just as unlikely to me. Or just as likely however you wanna look at it.
The start of life was an accident but life since that point wasn’t, i don’t buy it.
yeah, exactly bro thats why i say it's mostly just people genuinely being terrified of something outside of themselves being all powerful and being the actual end all be all
it's just covert humanist narcissism
everyone is creating their own meaning to life. some folk like to push their meaning onto others (i'm guilty too) and they have all the right emotion and reason to sell their ideas.
but really, you can chose to stop at anytime.
that one guy they made a movie about literally left society and went to live in the wild, his fate was the same as everyone else's.
you can theoretically descend into chaos, live in harmony, or do nothing and all would have equal weight depending on whatever the f*** you want to do.
people wonder how real life villains exist and part of it is that at some primal level we all understand that no matter how much emotion you pump into selling an idea, not everyone has to buy into the world view of another, despite generations and generations of attempts.
it might just be as rewarding to be indifferent, as it is to be the saint, or the sinner, bc there's no real way to tell who is right or wrong.
What's the point of trying to get p**** if you're gonna die I mean you still try to get p**** right I mean what's the point of that
Wise words fr
this why I say the point of life is to have fun and do what you enjoy
f*** everyone else
well i have been going through a lot of primarily physicalist-ic and materialistic explanations as to what exactly makes life form and as far as ive been able to read, there really doesn't seem to be a concrete hard-lined answer that doesn't have some sort of holes in it
i dont believe that a series of chance "fluctuations" and happenstance advantageous laws and rules of our existence is holistically a "cosmic accident" and we're here as a "fluke" - i always found it fascinating how atheists are willing to accept the infinitesimial chances of a universe + a planet being able to just happen to harbor life, but the idea of a God to rectify the explanation (ala Principle of Sufficient Reason) is the line where they draw it, it genuinely makes no sense to me
for things like the origins of the universe, they will even draw up cope hypotheticals such as an eternal universe (although potentiality has to be actualized and they claim that the universe arose out of a vacuum.. you have to account for the vacuum...) or of course the classical simulation theory (and don't even get me f***ing started on that s*** lol)
this isn't also to rule out that we could be a cosmic fluke, this doesn't rule out the existence of God regardless
yea yea i dig it, just thought it was particularly interesting notion that "monkeys on a flippin' space rock" and "God-of-the-gaps," which is nominally its exact opposite, are really such logically congruent foils
really reinforces how atheism is still wedded to the philosophy and sociality of the Western religious tradition
this why I say the point of life is to have fun and do what you enjoy
f*** everyone else
a valid perspective
a valid perspective
ppl say you gotta go to college, work a 9-5, get married, have kids, have game with the ladies, get rich, all that
you really don't. We got one life, do whatever you want. Genuinely believe suicide and depression rates would go down if we stopped teaching and conditioning everyone into accepting only one lifestyle and failing to do so means you failed at life.
yea yea i dig it, just thought it was particularly interesting notion that "monkeys on a flippin' space rock" and "God-of-the-gaps," which is nominally its exact opposite, are really such logically congruent foils
really reinforces how atheism is still wedded to the philosophy and sociality of the Western religious tradition
yep, i began noticing this pattern with atheists i would attempt to discuss with, this is particularly prominent with the hard problem of consciousness
ive opened up with the question, "Why are we able to consciously experience things like beauty, love pleasures etc. if we would be able to survive without these things? What use are these experiences if consciousness solely developed as a survival utility?"
"its an accident/a misfunction"
better yet, if we extend it to why did our particular consciousness arise at all pertaining to our ability to create and rationalize to a higher ability than our animal peers, (and MIND you, they dont even have a clear-cut explanation as to how something clearly immaterial like consciousness arises from physical processes) that's usually a " 'Cause evolution. "
the hyper-rational aren't as rational as they attempt to paint themselves to be
ye but they're mostly coping
Nothing wrong with that if everyone had the same mentality as op nothing would get done
ok dis nier automata question
Ok so I don’t have to finish the game now thanks
i love this thread and the replies are fantastic.
Much Love KTT2,
Sincerely
The Drog 🏴
If you really believe that why wouldnt you just kill yourself? No action has any impact unless you plan to live through the consequences. You can justify anything in the moment by saying we're all gonna die but when you wake tomorrow, very much alive, what then? If you never learn to read that's gonna leave a big mark unless you dont plan to live past 7. If you are a b**** to everyone around you that's gonna leave a big mark unless you're never gonna hang out with those guys again. You get the idea