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  • Sep 1, 2022
    Himothee

    Exactly. He wants to act like it’s the same as other religious texts but the Quran was revealed in 7 modes from the start.

    Prophet (pbuh) said: “Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.”

    (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)

    Different dialects due to different tribes at the time necessitated different readings given how complex the language was.

    It’s literally still visible to to this day as Arabic is still only spoken in dialects that are 30+ and Modern Standard Arabic used for formal media and government purposes is literally Quranic Arabic

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Experiment626

    Zoroastrianism is the root religion for both books

    Flopped

  • Sep 1, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Flopped

    more like the followers were persecuted & suppressed by Muslim rule but yeah

  • Sep 1, 2022

    Dogmatic dumbasses

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    Experiment626

    Zoroastrianism is the root religion for both books

    Zoroastrian priests were the worst once they took over during the sassanids. You should read up on what they did to prophet Mani.

    Parthians had it right, they had a you do you policy and they ruled an empire and rivaled the Romans for 600 years. Sadly the sassanids destroyed everything parthian and not much remains.

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    FranquitoReynolds

    Zoroastrian priests were the worst once they took over during the sassanids. You should read up on what they did to prophet Mani.

    Parthians had it right, they had a you do you policy and they ruled an empire and rivaled the Romans for 600 years. Sadly the sassanids destroyed everything parthian and not much remains.

    As many religious leaders can be corrupt, I don’t deny any of this

    I’m just merely pointing out to OP that many of the thoughts and concepts from later dogmatic religions especially Christianity & Islam was originally rooted in this ancient religion

  • Sep 1, 2022
    DR LONGSTROKE

    And I do believe that they come from god, I can see that when I read passages in both but Id be lying if I said I believe they’ve no contradictions or questionable doctrine.

    I feel like I believe in god and Jesus and Muhammad but I can’t say I’m fully aligned with either religion rn

    You’re like many people of this age
    It’s called the narrow path for a reason

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    DR LONGSTROKE

    And I do believe that they come from god, I can see that when I read passages in both but Id be lying if I said I believe they’ve no contradictions or questionable doctrine.

    I feel like I believe in god and Jesus and Muhammad but I can’t say I’m fully aligned with either religion rn

    Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?

    Do you believe Muhammad SWT was the messenger of Allah SWT?

    If you answer no for the first and yes for the second, you are a Muslim basically

    Muslims do believe Jesus was divine and performed miracles and in his teachings as well

  • Experiment626

    As many religious leaders can be corrupt, I don’t deny any of this

    I’m just merely pointing out to OP that many of the thoughts and concepts from later dogmatic religions especially Christianity & Islam was originally rooted in this ancient religion

    Yeah the israeilites got the concept of heaven and hell from them by interpreting everything wrong!

    Zoroaster didn't even claim to be a prophet he was a philosopher. By the cosmic battle of good and evil he didn't mean it literally. All he was saying is that we should try to be more good than bad and that it is a constant battle.

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Birdie
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    The Bible is a random assortment of stories pretty much untraceable in origin. (Bible meaning the present day order and presentation in form of Christianity’s scriptures).

    It’s been altered, change, and in unison has never been codified and kept the same from beginning to end

    Copies from the Quran from the 8th century have been DNA tested and the book has been confirmed by experts to have been exactly the same since it’s inception to the present

    Just on that surface level, islam has a higher merit

    I’ve heard that the content has remained unchanged in The Quran/ The Quran is consistent. Islam makes way more sense to me then Christianity.

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Muslims always talk about the quran being unchanged but what about the hadiths tho

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    Because religion is weird

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Muslims always talk about the quran being unchanged but what about the hadiths tho

    They’re narration of oral history

    That’s why Hadith science and studies exist and you have earn a essentially a PhD as a historian to even approach the topic. It’s also why in Islam a deference to scholars is taught to avoid the adulteration/innovations within the religion.

  • Birdie

    They’re narration of oral history

    That’s why Hadith science and studies exist and you have earn a essentially a PhD as a historian to even approach the topic. It’s also why in Islam a deference to scholars is taught to avoid the adulteration/innovations within the religion.

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Birdie

    They’re narration of oral history

    That’s why Hadith science and studies exist and you have earn a essentially a PhD as a historian to even approach the topic. It’s also why in Islam a deference to scholars is taught to avoid the adulteration/innovations within the religion.

    I know but there are a lot of disputes about how important they are and which ones are authentic or not

    Gaddafi was anti-hadith gang for example (ik that's a minority opinion)

    One hadith said the Kaaba would be destroyed by an Abyssianian with two shanks

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Jody

    Just do you man this is your spiritual journey

    It’s kinda difficult to just do me when my understanding of god is based around these two religions & their frameworks. I’d like more clarity.

  • Sep 1, 2022

    Book 41, Number 6951: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger(may peace be upon him) as saying: The Ka'ba would be destroyed by an Abyssinian having two small shanks.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I know but there are a lot of disputes about how important they are and which ones are authentic or not

    Gaddafi was anti-hadith gang for example (ik that's a minority opinion)

    One hadith said the Kaaba would be destroyed by an Abyssianian with two shanks

    The disputes are mostly inconsequential when you consider what the 5 pillars of Islam are and how none of the disagreements in mainstream Islam prevent a person from consistently following what’s asked of them on those main tenants

    You can pray salah, fast, do hajj, give zakat, and take Shahada

    These make you a Muslim

    Differences in eating kinds of seafood versus hand placement in prayers don’t invalidate your religion

  • Sep 1, 2022
    DR LONGSTROKE

    It’s kinda difficult to just do me when my understanding of god is based around these two religions & their frameworks. I’d like more clarity.

    Can’t speak on Islam but all questions are answered in the Bible
    Build your own relationship with God and don’t compromise your personal beliefs
    Not a fan of church but it may do you some good if you can’t come to your own conclusions

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    Birdie
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    The disputes are mostly inconsequential when you consider what the 5 pillars of Islam are and how none of the disagreements in mainstream Islam prevent a person from consistently following what’s asked of them on those main tenants

    You can pray salah, fast, do hajj, give zakat, and take Shahada

    These make you a Muslim

    Differences in eating kinds of seafood versus hand placement in prayers don’t invalidate your religion

    Ehh i'm not so sure about them being inconsequential

    Isn't a lot of wahhabism based on (obviously not held as credible by most muslims) hadiths

  • Sep 1, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Muslims always talk about the quran being unchanged but what about the hadiths tho

    There’s a whole science to authenticating hadiths. The process to verifying a Hadith is more meticulous than you think — hell, more than I originally thought

    Very in-depth and interesting highly recommend looking into it

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Ehh i'm not so sure about them being inconsequential

    Isn't a lot of wahhabism based on (obviously not held as credible by most muslims) hadiths

    Inconsequential to someone being able to practice their religion and be a Muslim yes

    On your point of wahabism

    Any idea can be weaponized not just religion

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Birdie

    I agree

    Ali was talking all that s*** about Ayesha for being left behind in the Caravan (adultery fitnah) and booom The almighty sends down a whole page of verses on how great she is. Some wild s*** ay

    Either Allah really took a personal interest in Muhammad's s***life, and or maybe the prophet was sick of the accusations against his favorite wife??

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Op you can’t call yourself a Christian and believe in both Muhammad, and that Jesus is the last prophet. Hope you find peace

  • Sep 1, 2022
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    Dr Longstroke is born again Christian