Aug 16, 2021
Synopsishow do y'all consistently fail to grasp what exploitation is
exploitation is not paying people less, its paying people less than the value of what they produce.
And thats cool and all but guess what, no labor no profit. It doesn't matter if small businesses are "trying to exploit people" or not, its what they are doing lol.
All that risk and s*** does not give you the right to exploit others. Simple as that. And ok, they created the menu, that's labor, thus they should be compensated accordingly.
you need to exploit some b****es synop
Aug 16, 2021·3 repliesSynopsishow do y'all consistently fail to grasp what exploitation is
exploitation is not paying people less, its paying people less than the value of what they produce.
And thats cool and all but guess what, no labor no profit. It doesn't matter if small businesses are "trying to exploit people" or not, its what they are doing lol.
All that risk and s*** does not give you the right to exploit others. Simple as that. And ok, they created the menu, that's labor, thus they should be compensated accordingly.
It's not that people are failing to grasp exploitation it's that we don't agree with the parameters you've set to define it. In your own example the single employee made 35% of the daily revenue. That's a huge portion of the money made and you're still calling it exploitation. Again value added isn't just 3 employees and 1 owner splitting it 4 ways. How easily replaceable is the employee, how much work are they doing and what is the exact amount of money added due to them specifically working there and not someone else? These are the factors that drive value added to a business.
You referenced a chef making the menu and in a lot of places where the chef drives value, the chef is paid better. Michelin star restaurants pay chefs more than Applebee's chefs. A chef also still makes more than a delivery boy so the pay structure is consistent. Value added is still what drives salary differences.
I was a janitor at a gym at one point that doesn't mean I deserved as much as the operations manager lmao.
If someone agrees to the salary why is it exploitation, every employee has the right to leave and find work elsewhere.
Aug 16, 2021·edited·1 replySHAQUILLE@Synopsis @Scratchin_Bandit
1. How much ownership?
2. What happens to their piece of ownership when they leave the shop?
i think what synop meant to say was
1. It`s divided amongst the workers equally. ex the shop makes 2k this week with 10 workers. 2,000 / 10 = 200$ weekly pay. No matter what you do, everyone takes an equal share of the proft.
2. if said person leaves the percent's just readjust. if you have 10 people working they all make 10% of the profit. If two leave and now you have 8, those 8 now have 12.5%.
Im not agreeing with synop, just trying to explain what i think he means.
Aug 16, 2021·edited·1 replyGangstaliciousIt's not that people are failing to grasp exploitation it's that we don't agree with the parameters you've set to define it. In your own example the single employee made 35% of the daily revenue. That's a huge portion of the money made and you're still calling it exploitation. Again value added isn't just 3 employees and 1 owner splitting it 4 ways. How easily replaceable is the employee, how much work are they doing and what is the exact amount of money added due to them specifically working there and not someone else? These are the factors that drive value added to a business.
You referenced a chef making the menu and in a lot of places where the chef drives value, the chef is paid better. Michelin star restaurants pay chefs more than Applebee's chefs. A chef also still makes more than a delivery boy so the pay structure is consistent. Value added is still what drives salary differences.
I was a janitor at a gym at one point that doesn't mean I deserved as much as the operations manager lmao.
If someone agrees to the salary why is it exploitation, every employee has the right to leave and find work elsewhere.Because there are external forces that force you to agree to the salary.
Without the pressure of unions, businesses essentially have a monopoly on wages and if the only businesses that will hire you will only pay you minimum wage, there is no way to pressure them into paying you what you think you deserve to be paid. Especially while there are external forces such as the human needs to eat and have shelter that pressure you into accepting anything that you can get.
Aug 16, 2021SHAQUILLEMy guy I get that you hate capitalism but I feel bad seeing someone’s livelihood get destroyed.
A nigga running a small restaurant or a corner store or whatever doesn’t deserve that. Have some empathy. Everything isn’t black and white
- Aug 16, 2021Gangstalicious
It's not that people are failing to grasp exploitation it's that we don't agree with the parameters you've set to define it. In your own example the single employee made 35% of the daily revenue. That's a huge portion of the money made and you're still calling it exploitation. Again value added isn't just 3 employees and 1 owner splitting it 4 ways. How easily replaceable is the employee, how much work are they doing and what is the exact amount of money added due to them specifically working there and not someone else? These are the factors that drive value added to a business.
You referenced a chef making the menu and in a lot of places where the chef drives value, the chef is paid better. Michelin star restaurants pay chefs more than Applebee's chefs. A chef also still makes more than a delivery boy so the pay structure is consistent. Value added is still what drives salary differences.
I was a janitor at a gym at one point that doesn't mean I deserved as much as the operations manager lmao.
If someone agrees to the salary why is it exploitation, every employee has the right to leave and find work elsewhere.its not hard to understand synop is just willfully ignorant
if youre easily replaceable you arent worth as much, if you are hard to replace you are worth more to the business. Owners and managers arent all just doing "equal" work as the other employees even if they work similar hours.
Aug 16, 2021·1 replyYou're right tbh but at the same time how can workers make all of the value that they do when bills for the store have to be paid? I mean like i guess at the end of each week they can reserve that money that they need to keep it running and then split the rest of the money that sounds good to me
- Aug 16, 2021SHAQUILLE
My guy I get that you hate capitalism but I feel bad seeing someone’s livelihood get destroyed.
A nigga running a small restaurant or a corner store or whatever doesn’t deserve that. Have some empathy. Everything isn’t black and white
02Shaq
You’re not so bad after all
- Aug 16, 2021
Especially since manufacturing is virtually non-existent in western countries since the 1970s and the knowledge economy is locked out for most people.
Service jobs are the only thing going, all of which you can just replace quickly, since the mass of people in the workforce all basically have the same job which doesn't require any special skills or knowledge.
- Aug 16, 2021theboy
Because there are external forces that force you to agree to the salary.
Without the pressure of unions, businesses essentially have a monopoly on wages and if the only businesses that will hire you will only pay you minimum wage, there is no way to pressure them into paying you what you think you deserve to be paid. Especially while there are external forces such as the human needs to eat and have shelter that pressure you into accepting anything that you can get.I understand that it’s not as easy as i painted it but a small business owner doesn’t have control over the federal or state level minimum wage. The minimum wage jobs are largely unskilled, easily replaceable labor. If one person doesn’t take the minimum, someone else will who can do the job just as well. I agree that wages should be higher and even low end jobs should have live able wages but i don’t think it’s necessarily exploitation from a small business owner to pay the minimum wage for a handful of employees.
Aug 16, 2021OP isn’t wrong at all
- OPAug 16, 2021·1 replyGangstalicious
It's not that people are failing to grasp exploitation it's that we don't agree with the parameters you've set to define it. In your own example the single employee made 35% of the daily revenue. That's a huge portion of the money made and you're still calling it exploitation. Again value added isn't just 3 employees and 1 owner splitting it 4 ways. How easily replaceable is the employee, how much work are they doing and what is the exact amount of money added due to them specifically working there and not someone else? These are the factors that drive value added to a business.
You referenced a chef making the menu and in a lot of places where the chef drives value, the chef is paid better. Michelin star restaurants pay chefs more than Applebee's chefs. A chef also still makes more than a delivery boy so the pay structure is consistent. Value added is still what drives salary differences.
I was a janitor at a gym at one point that doesn't mean I deserved as much as the operations manager lmao.
If someone agrees to the salary why is it exploitation, every employee has the right to leave and find work elsewhere.Almost as if my s*** was just an example lmao
But guess what, getting paid for 35% of what you make means you got robbed of the other 65%
- OPAug 16, 2021·1 reply
Also they agree to the salary because the alternative is to starve?
You're being dense. What is value added? Value added by labor. You're the one pretending I'm saying pay everyone the same
- Aug 16, 2021·2 repliesSynopsis
Almost as if my s*** was just an example lmao
But guess what, getting paid for 35% of what you make means you got robbed of the other 65%
then maybe instead of complaining your ass should go start a f***ing business if you think it's worth nothing
you're the type to complain about other s*** then never change your ways
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyTwist Your Cap
then maybe instead of complaining your ass should go start a f***ing business if you think it's worth nothing
you're the type to complain about other s*** then never change your ways
Dude he’s allowed to have an opinion even if you don’t like it lol chill
- OPAug 16, 2021·1 replyTwist Your Cap
then maybe instead of complaining your ass should go start a f***ing business if you think it's worth nothing
you're the type to complain about other s*** then never change your ways
Post makes no sense please try again
- Aug 16, 2021CKL TML
OP isnt lying
- Aug 16, 2021Gangstalicious
Dude he’s allowed to have an opinion even if you don’t like it lol chill
nah he's lazy as s*** and complains about other people's s*** to escape his inability to do anything in life
embarassing
- Aug 16, 2021·5 repliesSHAQUILLE
So you think the person who built the shop, took out the loans, runs the day to day, manages the expenses, works 60 hours weeks etc to have the same piece of ownership as a teenager who makes pizzas, takes orders and mops for 30 hours a week?
A lot of y’all are right wingers and don’t know it
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replySynopsis
Post makes no sense please try again
you won't even cite what you do
you do nothing but complain instead of focusing on your own s***
people like you are exhausting
- OPAug 16, 2021imdoinf
You're right tbh but at the same time how can workers make all of the value that they do when bills for the store have to be paid? I mean like i guess at the end of each week they can reserve that money that they need to keep it running and then split the rest of the money that sounds good to me
Exactly
- OPAug 16, 2021·1 replyTwist Your Cap
you won't even cite what you do
you do nothing but complain instead of focusing on your own s***
people like you are exhausting
Yeah my job isn't your business bro sorry to tell you
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replySynopsis
Yeah my job isn't your business bro sorry to tell you
I've never seen someone who's proud of what they do try to hide it quite like you
doesn't add up
- OPAug 16, 2021·1 replyTwist Your Cap
I've never seen someone who's proud of what they do try to hide it quite like you
doesn't add up
Its p simple
You dont need to know
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replySynopsis
Also they agree to the salary because the alternative is to starve?
You're being dense. What is value added? Value added by labor. You're the one pretending I'm saying pay everyone the same
I stated before factors for value added. How much extra do you bring in that a replacement couldn’t? Risk taken in the business in terms of capital invested also plays a big part in value.
I think you’re overvaluing the work of low end replaceable labor. Should people be paid more and make liveable wages? Absolutely but the concept of a business owner paying the lowest end, replaceable jobs a lot less and close to minimum isn’t exploitation.