Y'all do just love to miss the point tho.

The point is, small businesses exploit their workers, and they use different means to justify it than large corporations do. And then, the media etc., use small businesses as a means to push back against legitimate grievances of the people.

Oh, youre protesting police brutality but what about the small businesses, oh you want a higher minimum wage but what about the small businesses? They do this, because a lot of people still view it as some sort of noble venture to start your own venture, because they are unable or unwilling to view it as another method of oppression, and perhaps because they think they might one day, if not becoming a full fledged capitalist themselves, they could at least still own a "small business."

So, the conclusion here is not that we should all bow to our corporate overlords, but that when we begin to recognize what exploitation is and how those systems are reproduced, we need to rightfully realize that the small business model is not what we should be replicating when we think about the liberation of the working masses, because small businesses themselves are exploitative, and they cannot be anything else.

And sure, someone can say this is a pointless discussion because it's not "what we should be focused on" but in the end no stone can be left unturned. We cannot say that we need to bring down amazon or walmart or whatever, only for the people to turn around and say mom and pop's little corner shop paying its employees 9 dollars an hour is fine because it's a small business.

🥱 you're exploiting George Floyd's death and the riots to push your agenda. You're just as exploitative as the rest of them

THIS IS WRONG. Completely wrong in America. Small business and entrepreneurship are the core of America. There's a reason why people hate large orgs in America like Amazon even if they use their services. Even then, Amazon has created millions of small businesses on its platform. People go out their way here to support small businesses in the community. This is completely off base.

Goddamn you are stupid

can you give some examples of how they exploit their workers? and are you saying this is like a systemic thing that occurs in literally all small businesses or just something that eventually happens as they become bigger?

Masterful baiting comrade I salute you

Inherent to all businesses

Exploitation is essentially paying someone less than the value of what they produce.

So if you work in a small pizza shop and make 200$ of pizza a day, but are only played 70$ a day, that's 130$ of value that you created but went somewhere else

prefacing this by saying i’m not trying to argue but i just wanna understand your perspective more

i think that’s simplifying it a bit too much though. you’re making pizzas with ingredients you didn’t pay for in a facility that you don’t pay for (rent, property taxes, electricity, appliances, upkeep, etc) and there’s likely even more people contributing to the overall process (taking orders, prepping ingredients, cleaning, etc). it seems much more fair to me that everyone involved in the entire process gets paid for their contributions even if they didn’t directly make the pizza.

i know there are places that are exploiting their workers to make more money for themselves but i don’t think this kind of system is inherently exploitative unless i’m missing something here

got some edgy people on this site sheesh

how about you start a business and redistribute your profit to your employees if operating one is so simple

your blind spot is massive it's unbelievable

Lmao what a terrible post

uh yeah, all the workers are being exploited lol thats kinda. you just asked for an example

what do you do for a living?

you've never mentioned it

very curious

almost as if its not your business.

seems like a sore topic

your parents must be so f***ing embarrassed of you lol

"what does your son do?"

"Oh spreads extremist socialism views on a music forum"

Sad post

truth hurts

In the current economical climate worker co-ops are the best for small and medium sized businesses just like the one OP describes

Value added isn't that simple lol, if you incur 0 risk as an employee, need to be trained and can easily be replaced, why is your value as high as the owners who paid for the land/building, the furniture and equipment, designed the place and menu, took all the risk and has to pay the overhead? Most business aren't aren't profitable for a long time, paying people a perfect split of the revenue isn't viable, even after profits money has to be reinvested and saved for emergency. Why is it exploitation when a person agrees to work a lower level position for a set price?
Small business usually isn't people trying to exploit people they're just trying to make enough money to provide for their families. Paying lower level positions less isn't exploitation, it's a logical and necessary thing to do. Now you can argue that minimum wages are too low but you're arguing the concept is wrong when it's not. The minimum wage is largely outside the control of small businesses anyway.

how do y'all consistently fail to grasp what exploitation is

exploitation is not paying people less, its paying people less than the value of what they produce.

And thats cool and all but guess what, no labor no profit. It doesn't matter if small businesses are "trying to exploit people" or not, its what they are doing lol.

All that risk and s*** does not give you the right to exploit others. Simple as that. And ok, they created the menu, that's labor, thus they should be compensated accordingly.

but you also know that in a lot of places the chef makes the menu right? the same chef who is then underpaid for the labor he provides lmao

OP really lost his sauce

Oh yes, the employee can easily be replaced. Almost as if capitalism relies on a reserve army of unemployed labor in order to keep wages down.