Bro is one of the most important pioneers in internet culture and changed how the youth consumes it with OF

How could he be pretentious

as long as its credited i dont think its a big deal

its not like he stealing beats like 2013 travis

Literally shifted the sound of indie music in 2017 through a rap album

They’re credited as samples but if you’re just straight up using someone’s beat, you should just credit them as the producer, why say you produced it? Or at the very least you shouldn’t be putting it out front and center that you produced it like you’re proud of it lol. “written produced arranged by Tyler okonma” is a huge lie

It’s a step up from Travis but it’s still not good

think it stopped mattering when streaming came along
he got samples cleared which means og producers are fine with it.
nobody is making money off streaming so its not a big deal anymore

and now we got AI stuff..where you dont even need to credit...
its over

If T wanted people to know where the beat from Lumberjack was from, he would’ve dropped it like

“Ayo so I just was wanting to rap and this gravediggaz beat goes so hard so here’s a song I made to it, it’s on my new album, articulate why you like it”

But it was none of that

He let that rock and let his fans assume he made it

I’m personally not big on gravediggaz so I had to find out on here

That s***s sus mr arranger composer, I’m sorry. You know these Mac demarco fans are picturing you playing Lumberjack on piano like “whoa he’s a genius”

Can't trust the fashion guys. They all steal

@Mitchell u fw this?

Pharrell taught him well

pioneer is stretching it

ian connor more influential to internet culture than tyler

Tyler is technically right on this. You don't have to make a beat to be a producer. Think Diddy, Khaled, Quincy, Berry Gordy. He created a landscape and performed on it and people are credited and I bet were paid great with good publishing etc. Would have been better if he had simply put "executively produced" though

Should’ve said this earlier but I could care less about the use of drum breaks as samples for this album. It’s really the sampling of other melodies and lyrics

Btw This album is still brilliant regardless

Always bothered me that he does this. It made sense back in the day when he’d hate on sampling saying it wasn’t creative but now he straight up steals beats and claims them as his own. Cmiygl has several songs where he’s rapping over other people’s beats with 0 alterations and claiming he’s the sole producer

The idea this site has that you have to chop up a sample and reverse it a million times for it to be valid is so dumb

A lot of the time it just sounds better as is

crazy how this thread suggests Tyler and DJ Khaled actually more similar than you think

I still fw Tyler

Even Diddy never just straight up “sampled” a hip hop song and stole the beat. That’s the thing, Tyler has taken it to a level that even the most shameless samplers haven’t reached

There’s no precedent for taking a RZA/prince Paul beat and saying it’s yours. It’s not like looping the beginning of a disco song, the beat is a loop already and you’re just taking it exactly as is, with the drums on it, and saying you produced it lol.

And if you want to do that then cool, I don’t think sampling hip hop is off limits but if you’re literally just rapping on pre existing beats, maybe don’t try to flex the whole “composed written arranged produced entirely by me the genius” thing front and center. That’s the only place where it becomes weird.

The reason this is a conversation is because some of us were legitimately misled into thinking he did more than he actually did on these albums

im not saying that at all

remember when he reposted the credits on twitter after this thread was blowing up lol

Quincy really was out here on keys though

same thing with the intro track off that album, like the fact that he had to make himself the main producer and only gave Conductor Williams a writing credit was so dishonest lmao

that Al green one is egregious wow

Exactly, and that’s an even better example because it’s literally a contemporary producer and a track that had just dropped recently

How would Tyler feel if the roles were reversed? If a rapper was rapping on a Tyler beat and claimed they “wrote produced and arranged” it, he would definitely have something to say about that

Wolf instrumentals out now if anyone wants to “produce compose and arrange” Wolf, just throw it in a DAW and you did it, you produced Wolf