Aug 28, 2021·1 replyeh tbh hip hop got sold off and commodified by the late 80s by run dmc chuck d selling out professor griff and mc hammer. once hammer was doing commercials for pepsi and s*** the cacs were bound to take over. kanye has ushered in a lot of ignorant racist fans but at the end of the day rap being sold off in the late 80s allowed these kinds of folks to eventually be allowed to discuss rap and to have an overwhelming influence on people
Aug 28, 2021·editedI agree but to a degree
Kanye is just so f***in influential to EVERYONE that anything he does will attract a crowd
And I’ll admit new fans (ye era to now), have brought in racist white fans and I hate it
New Kanye fans are scum and garbage ass people that like to see a black man struggle and they look at him like a damn zoo animal
Aug 28, 2021Eminem fans were surprisingly astute when it came to 90s hip-hop at least. From what I remember. Eminem has always paid homage to the past even before he became it. There was continuity there.
Aug 28, 2021what do you mean bro, everyone knows if you don't have vocoder crooning and 8 minutes worth of pure instrumentation on an album it cant be a classic
Aug 28, 2021
Bobby_96OP's point is kinda invalid though because Kanye never distanced himself from his urban audience until JIK.
Even Yeezus is influenced hy Chicago House and had a song called New Slaves.
Plus, Kanye got vilified for the VMA moment, triggered White people with other public comments, etc. when other rappers were keeping their head low.
Also, 50 in his prime had a much bigger White audience than Kanye both in America and overseas.
Yeah I see what you sayin, I’m just tryna like grasp where OP’s coming from with his opinion
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Aug 28, 2021
DonutHole@Cookies had a similar take as op and pointed out how MBDTF was the turning point for this
dark fantasy and ye era to now are the peak of this
- Aug 28, 2021Bobby_96
OP's point is kinda invalid though because Kanye never distanced himself from his urban audience until JIK.
Even Yeezus is influenced hy Chicago House and had a song called New Slaves.
Plus, Kanye got vilified for the VMA moment, triggered White people with other public comments, etc. when other rappers were keeping their head low.
Also, 50 in his prime had a much bigger White audience than Kanye both in America and overseas.
My point isn’t invalid because im not saying Ye ever purposely distanced himself from an urban audience or that his music doesn’t still connect with an urban audience. And I don’t think JIK at all represents a distancing from that - in fact quite possibly the opposite - but that’s a different conversation.
I’m not saying there was any intent on Kanye’s part to do this just that that’s what it resulted in. This doesn’t make the music any less great. It also doesn’t make the phenomenon any less real. Like someone else said, this is more on the fans, critics and publications.
- Aug 28, 2021·1 reply
kanye basically did what people criticize eminem for: bring non-rap fans into hip-hop discussions. His stanbase is toxic, destructive, and harmful to rap. Same thing can be said for kendrick stans too. Drake stans kinda
Aug 28, 2021·1 replyBobby_96OP's point is kinda invalid though because Kanye never distanced himself from his urban audience until JIK.
Even Yeezus is influenced hy Chicago House and had a song called New Slaves.
Plus, Kanye got vilified for the VMA moment, triggered White people with other public comments, etc. when other rappers were keeping their head low.
Also, 50 in his prime had a much bigger White audience than Kanye both in America and overseas.
people that care about music didnt ostracize kanye from their library because of these moments
Aug 28, 2021·1 reply
NEW EQUITYIf anything Ye keeps the spirit of hip hop alive
him kendrick and drake, as much as i hate to admit it, are the only ones left keeping the original spirit alive, you can tell they truly care about hip hop and its roots even if they stylistically make different sounding music
and also the hip hop historian
- Aug 28, 2021miseduofjm
people that care about music didnt ostracize kanye from their library because of these moments
I agree. Anyone who cares about music can't deny Ye's genius.
But Suzie soccer mom and her Top 40 radio listening teenaged daughter didn't know anything about that.
And Rock/Metal fans who bashed the dog s*** out of Kanye for claiming he was the greatest Rock star didn't know that either.
They based their opinions on him from the headlines and tabloids.
Pre-MAGA Kanye was the most polarizing rapper to White America but this gets overlooked since the hate died down so much.
Aug 28, 2021Yeah f*** Kanye he shoulda never worked with people outside of rap and got new fans for it
Scum
Aug 28, 2021Yevinhim kendrick and drake, as much as i hate to admit it, are the only ones left keeping the original spirit alive, you can tell they truly care about hip hop and its roots even if they stylistically make different sounding music
and also the hip hop historian
I think Kendrick is truly the only one left tbh. Ye doing this release date nonsense is what pulls that away from him.
Aug 28, 2021·1 replywhite people mad as hell at this
Aug 28, 2021
ASAKIYou guys can't ping-pong between wanting hip-hop to be successful and evolving but also having a strict interpretation of what hip-hop should be, sound like, and move towards.
Not saying you aren't making sense, but what do you guys really want then? Was Kanye not supposed to make MBDTF? Or 808's? Or Yeezus? Just keep making The College Dropout until he went into obscurity?
I think people just want the newcomers to learn the genre and respect its roots if you get what I mean. Know the subject before you speak on it
- Aug 28, 2021·1 reply
Some of y’all reading this wrong getting defensive of ye when OP isn’t attacking him this isn’t the time to be in stan mode
Aug 28, 2021MyBallsAndMyWordKanye is one of the primary hip hop artists of the 2010s who it was “okay” for non hip hop listeners to listen to
By that I mean, he brought in a lot of people who previously never cared for or paid attention to hip hop because publications such as pitchfork deemed him “one of the good ones”. By working with people like Bon Iver he was able to cross over into and get respect from the indie rock fanbase. The result of this is it ushered in a lot of people who previously never cared about rap having very loud and very incorrect opinions that talk down on all other hip hop as not being “artistic” or “experimental” enough, despite never having really studied the genre like that
People like to talk about how Em is the primary rapper for people who don’t listen to rap, and that’s no untrue, but Kanye’s music also represents the same thing, but to a different, more hipster - and arguably just as racist - demographic. Both fanbases are harmful to and ignorant of the culture. This is not Kanye’s fault it just is what it is.
If you think about it though, every HUGE rapper is going to attract a white audience, it's inevitable.
Now said audience could care less about the culture or only like "artsy" rap which is fine cuz not every white critic is going to understand the lifestyle street rappers rap about in their songs or like it cuz it's popular.
- Aug 28, 2021Russlio
white people mad as hell at this
Aug 28, 2021·1 replyIf ur mad at this post ur a cracker
- Aug 28, 2021guwop
If ur mad at this post ur a cracker
- Aug 28, 2021·2 replies
I think OP is mistaking hipsters and music critics/elitists for the general White population.
Pre-MAGA Ye was more polarizing to White people than probably any rapper in history besides Tupac when he was still living.
In fact, it was Ye's talent that kept him relevant all of these years despite all of these controversies.
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Aug 28, 2021Who gives a f*** it’s just music
You either like him or you don’t f*** all this demographic s***